Assaulted: Civil Rights Under Fire - Documentary

[X-Rap]

This could probably fill a whole film but I think highlighting the differences of the 50 states and their view on gun ownership might go a long way in educating this countrys population.
Having traveled it some I am amazed at the differences in laws and what people consider acceptable.
The contrast of Illinois, New York, California, with Alaska, Arizona, and Wyoming as well as the recent conversions of what were fairly restrictive Midwestern States like Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconson and proof that blood isn't flowing in the streets should greatly influence the way voters in those more restrictive may issue or won't issue states cast their ballots.
Good work and can't wait to see it when done.

 

[Owen Sparks]

It is interesting that the federal government can tax the one item you are guaranteed the right to possess by the Constitution, yet the courts struck down the poll tax as an unconstitutional affront to the right to vote even though "the right to vote" is not even mentioned in the Constitution.

They could never get away with a special federal tax levied on any other activities enumerated in the Bill of Rights such as religion, the press, free speech, etc.

 

[powell&hyde]

Very interesting thread, here is a chart on regional nics history for regional states from the year 2000. Welcome to the high road.

 

[DeadPatriot]

Thanks. I mean I've very pro-2A, but it's hard to deal with the way we can sometimes accept or repeat things with no citations. Then again I'm a lawyer (actually served as counsel for a restoration film project funded by Kickstarter) so I'm a stickler for the details, both because I'm trained to use them to back my case or find holes in the others. If you want someone to act as a critical script reader I would be happy to help out.

gfanikf, we might just take you up on that. I know everyone who supports this doc feels the same way, it must be accurate for it to be credible.
Thank you, sir, and everyone here. Everyone is very intelligent, enthusiastic, and kind.

anita

 

[DeadPatriot]

This could probably fill a whole film but I think highlighting the differences of the 50 states and their view on gun ownership might go a long way in educating this countrys population.
Having traveled it some I am amazed at the differences in laws and what people consider acceptable.
The contrast of Illinois, New York, California, with Alaska, Arizona, and Wyoming as well as the recent conversions of what were fairly restrictive Midwestern States like Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconson and proof that blood isn't flowing in the streets should greatly influence the way voters in those more restrictive may issue or won't issue states cast their ballots.
Good work and can't wait to see it when done.

Thank you, X-Rap.
We hear ya!

 

[Cesiumsponge]

Some more further information to add.

It looks like for any manufacturer data older than the 2011 offering on the ATF site, it gives a comprehensive breakdown of how many firearm types each company manufactured.

I opened this one up: http://www.atf.gov/statistics/download/afmer/2010-final-firearms-manufacturing-export-report.pdf

While this isn't exhaustive, I've included some "assault weapon" manufacturer names I recognized off the top of my head that exclusively make assault weapons. There are some manufacturers with military contracts and also make more than assault weapons, like FN and Remington. I did not include them for simplicity. The actual number of evil black rifles manufactured is much higher than my rough list I cobbled below because I am mainly familiar with AR15 manufacturers, and not the AK-style manufacturers or otherwise.

Smith & Wesson 100051
DPMS 46891
Bushmaster manufactured 40679
Rock River ARms 23200
Stag Arms 19545
Colt manufactured 11175
Armalite 9562
DS Arms 8001
CMMG 7663
Del-Ton 5676
Bravo Company Manufacturing 5380
Lewis Machine & Tool 3553
Olympic Arms 2892
Daniel Defense 2413
Barrett 1472
Knights Armament Company 1399
Palmetto State Armory 1363
Mega Arms 1167
Sabre Defence 1194
Patriot Ordnance Factory 947
Noveske 748

294,920 evil black rifles manufactured out of a total of 1,830,556 rifles for that year. 16% of all rifles manufactured, based off the incomplete list above were assault rifles. It wouldn't be unreasonable to guess around 20% of the rifle market to civilians are assault rifles, if we could compile a complete list.

Considering shotguns (743,378) and pistols (67,929) and rifles (1,830,556) total 2,641,863 firearms manufactured with this specific data, assault rifles manufactured, based on just the incomplete list above, 11% of ALL firearms made. One in ten firearms sold across America might very well be an assault rifle. Despite the disproportionate attention in the media, the incredible proliferation of these scary guns in the hands of Americans has placed this specific style of rifle into the category of "rifle" (along with all other rifles that aren't "assault), which according to the FBI, cumulatively is responsible for 2.75% of all homicides, the least used method in carrying out a homicide.



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Also there was some new information from the CDC data I posted on page 1. I was curious why "legal intervention" deaths were only 395. Right below it, it lists "Events of undetermined intent (Y10-Y34,Y87.2,Y89.9)" with 5,005 deaths. Given the CDC just records the annual deaths, it's quite possible these are "deaths in queue" undergoing active investigation or a court case at the time to determine if they were self-defense or not. Clearly some of these cases or investigations can take time. Obviously once these cases are settled, they won't be re-categorized into the proper category in the next year's CDC report.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Also, the US is usually held up as having a *much* higher murder rate than other developed countries, now, can somebody please dig those threads out,

In Brittan and Australia when they banned guns the violent crime rates and murder rates didn't even take a blip (well, 'crimes of passion', but those are well made up for by using a weapon on hand or defenseless victims)

Secondly, there is no uniform standard in reporting crime nation to nation, then there are places like Brittan, then had a scandal 3? years ago of cops NOT taking reports of crime, as the had little hope of solving them, so they didn't even try.

Then there is Japan, were murders and such rarely happen, rather the criminal removed the blot of his existence from contaminating his family's honor by pissing off the wrong people. See clear as day - SUICIDE....

Two reasons why the anit's claim of 'US is a Violent Culture' falls down, we aren't the most peace loving maybe, but we are far from the worse, though we are the most well reported and DOCUMENTED.

 

[Cesiumsponge]

The actual violent crime rate (sans homicide) is higher in many European countries. Two cops were just killed with firearms and grenades in the UK.

 

[gfanikf]

The actual violent crime rate (sans homicide) is higher in many European countries. Two cops were just killed with firearms and grenades in the UK.

Except if you look at the number overall it's not large
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty

 

[Cesiumsponge]

Sorry if I misrepresented my comments as specific to LEOs. Violent crime in general. The two slain officers happens to be very recent news. I recall a study a while back that took a look at British and Australian violent crime, which affected upwards of 20-25% of citizens. Of course, the methodology of recording and categorizing crime is different in all nations so doing direct comparisons is superficial and difficult.

 

[Shadow 7D]

the US actually has a middle or slightly lower OVERALL violent crime rate - kinda, depends on how the numbers were jiggled to get them to align, we have a higher murder rate, but lower assault etc.

 

[denton]

You have to be careful comparing crime rates from country to country.

Some of the reputable sources have a disclaimer, since different countries count and classify differently.

 

[X-Rap]

I also believe the murder rate in any given area depends to some degree on the medical treatment available. Someone who survives what would/should have been a fatal gunshot, with todays medical advancements becomes an assault victim instead of a murder.

 

[Cesiumsponge]

I'm going to bump this back up and ask. Does anyone here post on reddit or some other huge non-gun oriented forum as a way to spread news of this project? I suspect if we can get news of this project beyond the purely gun-related forums, we might be able to pick up more traction.

I'm actually surprised there aren't more folks on board. The funding rate seems to be slowing down with 8 days remaining.

 

[Cesiumsponge]

There is just over 24 hours remaining on the Kickstarter campaign. To the folks that spend their days here complaining about liberals, anti-gunners, Brady Bunch, Ceasefire, false statistics, dirty politicians, and the agenda of gun control: this is your very last chance to put your money where your mouth is and prove you aren't just hot air. A metric buttload of folks at Calguns have doubled or tripled their initial pledges. New pledge levels have been added.

You folks will only have yourselves to blame next time you talk about how no one in Hollywood or the media will speak positively about guns or listen to gun owners because Kris is doing exactly what folks have been asking for but it's not getting enough traction. It's up to folks to step up to the plate and pass over that extra box or two of ammo at the store this week and send that money towards this documentary made for our benefit. It's a shame because I've seen Kickstarter campaigns for stupid games or knick knacks exceed their goal by 1000%+ and raise hundreds of thousands, or millions of dollars but Kris is fighting tooth and nail just to hit $65k.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/assaulted/assaulted

 

[jeffsenpai]

Great! I just donated $25, they are only ~$3,000 short of their goal with 22 hours left! Donate to this people!! They are too close for this to fail!

 

[holdencm9]

I went to the kickstarter website and was just planning to donate $20, but then saw that for $25 you get a DVD of the documentary signed by the crew! Even though it will probably be available for download cheaper and may even find its way to Netflix or Amazon Prime, it is always nice to have something tangible as well. I recommend everyone do the $25 donation!

 

[fanchisimo]

I just looked at the site, the goal has been met!!! I urge people to keep giving as the more he has to work with the better the film.

 

[Cesiumsponge]

Amazon and Kickstarter skim 9% off the top. Plus the actual merchandise cost of all the pledge merchandise so Kris is NOT netting $65k for the budget. I hope it keeps going and surpasses $75k+ tonight! You can also do multiple pledges, so you can do $10 for the HD download and still buy the signed DVD or even the 6 pack to give to friends and family that are fence sitters.

The comeback is amazing too, thanks to a ton of folks that doubled or tripled their contributions. Here is some data: http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/assaulted/assaulted

Backers: 850
Average Daily Pledges: $2,131
Average Pledge Per Backer: $78

 

[wacki]

Contact David Kopel... and read his book Samurai Mountie & the Cowboy.

Also, NPR had an Intelligence Squared debate "More Guns, Less Crime" that was pretty decent. Listen to the unedited version...

 

[bergmen]

Contact David Kopel... and read his book Samurai Mountie & the Cowboy.

This is a good book as long as one keeps in mind that it was published 20 years ago and has not been updated. Much has happened since in the world of firearms laws since and a current perspective is not portrayed here.

Dan

 

[DeadPatriot]

Hiya, Folks –

I want to thank everyone for the support of our documentary,
“Assaulted: Civil Rights Under Fire.”

We have reached our goal for initial funding, and are now officially in production.

Thanks again for all of your ideas, information and viewpoints; its good to know you are here and ready for this film to be made!

This forum is one of the best by far. You have been so kind, and the input from The High Road is inspiring and thought provoking.

Thanks again. I do appreciate it very much!

Anita
Dead Patriot Films

 

[DavidMS]

One thought...

Firstly, welcome and best of luck with the project. You may want to look up the Black Panther Party and the Mulford Bill but I am sure that you know about it. Also, a forgotten part of this history is the Deacons for Defence and Justice. We cannot tell the story of guns or gun control in America without talking about race and class.

 

[holdencm9]

They need more money

I have been getting the update emails from these guys. I wanted to bump this thread so if anyone out there can afford to donate for the first time, or again, they can. I donated $25 the first time, going to donate another $25. I don't need two DVDs but I figure I can use one to circulate to all my friends, pro- and anti-2a alike.

 

[Cesiumsponge]

This is a second chance for those particularly outspoken gun owners to put their money where their mouth is. We barely met the first fundraiser goal. I hope the recent political stirrings will convince gun owners to donate and fund this scientific documentary. Kris burnt a lot of bridges by securing airtime on PBS and chasing down theater distribution. This will be one of, if not the only widespread documentaries that places the second amendment in a positive light using government data and historical events. That an Emmy Award winning science documentary maker is doing it will eliminate arguments that this is some sort of NRA propaganda.

There's no excuse not to donate a few bucks. You all have a few extra bucks on the side now that you can't fins ammo to buy. I purchased the 6-pack of DVDs and several other sponsorship levels on the first run so I can distribute materials to anti and fencesitters.