Assuming civil war right here at hobefore 2020, what weapons to stockpile??

[BDM]

Any choice made is a personel one,but for me my personal tastes are any kind of military type semi auto and pistols because its in "common use"parts and ammo readily available,keep your stuff going a long time..thats always my first consideration..parts availability and compatability..let s just say for a scenario...an organized terrorist attack happens here and as armed citizens local law enforcement,national guard or even limited military needed every american who had a weapon to help,,I want something that can imediately be serviced if it breaks down,I want something to be common with our own fighting forces...hell american military armorers probably either have limited AK parts around in inventory or with their mobile machine shops could make a part needed.Any thing you use well is the best..but I want commonality too.

 

[one45auto]

Why lever action rifles? Because...heck if I know. If someone would like to explain why they would want a lever instead of a semi for a SHTF gun, post an answer.

N3rday,

The reasons why I would reach for a lever-action rifle should the sh*t ever hit the fan are:

1) It's simple, uncomplicated, and easy to clean and maintain.

2) I know mine inside and out, and can hit whatever I aim at with it.

3) It comes to shoulder automatically and is light and handy. Packing it around all day wouldn't wear me down.

4) Because it's chambered in the same pistol caliber as my revolver, I only have to worry about carrying one type of cartridge and can interchange ammo between them. That translates into less confusion and less hassle.


In the end, people will reach for what they know well and shoot best.

 

[Ben Shepherd]

One45auto: agreed.

Anyone given the percieved "NEED a gun, now!!" will always go for the one they're most comfortable with, regardless of its tactical superiority/inferiority. Just human nature.

 

[BDM]

another 1911 guy,thats the only pisols I have besides my python 357 and .45 long.I must admit that with all the modern firearms I have I also own a winchester lever gun in .45 long and a ruger vaqero in the same caliber,its a 7 1/2 model.

 

[R.H. Lee]

Ben Shepherd said:

Rileymc: I have uuhhh.... no comment on your idea

Since this thread speculates what might happen in the year 2020, let's review how we got here-(how the history books might read):


"The current civil unrest can be traced back the election of H. Clinton as POTUS back in 2008. During H. Clinton's second term, in 2014, Congress passed the "Dangerous Weapons Control and Confiscation Act of 2014"
The DWCCA classified firearms of any type and male sex organs as "dangerous weapons" and required their immediate confiscation.

This bill contained strict verification provisions, in that males would be required to install clear vinyl in the front of their pants when in public. However, there remained a problem-perpetuation of the species. It was decided that sperm donor artificial insemination would solve this problem.
The stock market went wild as clear vinyl and turkey baster production shot up 10,000%. The federal .gov selected M.Moore as the sperm donor. His dna was replicated and distributed throughout the country.

Some males were exempt. T.Kennedy and C.Schumer's dangerous weapons were personally inspected by the CIC, determined to be "vestigial" and non-lethal, thus exempt from confiscation.

Fast forward to 2020. R. O'Donnell, H. Clinton's former Vice President and current spouse, is now POTUS, and vigorously enforcing the DWCC Act of 2014."

 

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

 

[molonlabe]

Dealer.......... Anything else.
Terminator... Phased plasma rifle in the 40 millawatt range.
Dealer.......... Hey buddy, what you see is what you get.

 

[1911Tuner]

The Three

In a "Grab what ya can and Run"...only three. A Ruger M-77 RSI carbine.
A good 1911, and a good .22 rifle. I'll go sit on the back porch of my little
mountain cabin and watch the smoke rise off the cities where all the young
lions are handlin' things.

Me? Too old to fight. Too tired to run.

Luck! Especially to the warrior class. Been there, done that, got the
T-shirt.

Tuner

 

[R.H. Lee]

Unless there is all out guerrilla warfare (aka Mad Max, or what was the movie about New York walled off?), and life continues more or less normally, I'm thinking that two weapons would come in handy. Both for "shoot and scoot" scenarios.

A small, easily concealed, suppressed 22lr pistol, and a good long range rifle, like a 700 PSS or Savage 10FP in .308 with a good 10x scope.

The former for blending in and walking away in a densely populated environment, and the latter for those "high profile" targets not easily approached.

 

[N3rday]

Thanks for the response, one45auto!

I knew #4 would be an issue, with so many people relying on .357 revolvers over autoloaders. Also, if you ever needed to scavenge for ammo, on the slim chance that you actually run out, you can use .38s if you can't find .357s.

 

[bdhawk]

M16 that was funny. i am a fellow texan, i really appreciated that.

as for weaponry, i would suggest any quality 9MM handguns of your choice. a glock would be my first choice. they are tough, lots of parts availablity and i can 'smith them myself, to a point. 9MM ammo is/will be the easiest to obtain.
an AR15 in .223 would be an excellent choice for a rifle. parts and ammo are plentiful.
a shotgun would be nice. a mossberg mod. 500 or a remington 870 would be a good choice. they are tough and generally reliable. there are tons of 'em so parts availability should be good. barrels/chokes can be changed to fit the need.

 

[1911Tuner]

Bug Out Lever Rifles

Howdy all,

Since the subject of lever-action rifles was included in this one, I'd
like to add a little insight on this oft-overlooked , but excellent little piece of ordnance.

A '94 Winchester 30-30 carbine is light, fast, handy, and about as
politically correct as a firearm can be. It won't draw undue attention in the
rifle rack of a pickup truck, or cause an overreacton if discovered in the
trunk of a car the way that an AK or AR-15 would. I mean...who is gonna
get all upset over an antiquated, obsolete old deer rifle? It conjures
up visions of John Wayne defending hearth and home from marauding
Apaches and evil cattle barons...Right?

Don't sell "Grandpa's old "thutty-thutty" short though. Zero the iron sights in at a hundred yards and get a Lyman tang-mounted aperture sight.
Zero that one at a buck-fifty and you can make hits with it out to 200
yards or maybe a little more. The tang sight will make it necessary to
lay it back down in order to work the action, but for a careful shot at
that distance, it's not a concern.

In fast action, the rifle can be continually topped off with a shoot one, load one technique from a pocket, looped belt, or butt-cuff without taking it out of battery. It's a bit more powerful than the 7.62x39, and will beat the AK and SKS in intrinsic and practical accuracy unless it's worn out.

Personally, I'd rather face an armchair commando who watches too much TV and believes that all he has to do is hose the landscape down with automatic fire ANY time than go against "Bubba" armed with his daddy's old 30-30 that he's used for the last 20-odd years to harvest Whitetail deer. While Rambo is wastin' ammo and scarin' the old folks, Bubba is
gonna draw a bead and bust him one amidships.

Just my nickle's worth...

Tuner

 

[ruger357]

Mini-14, 870, 1911's.

 

[Ben Shepherd]

RileyMC, I think you misunderstood my post.

For a little clarification: I own several examples of semi-auto rifles, and I also know of a lot of good camping spots that I could base out of if push came to shove.

 

[goon]

1. Bolt-action 30.06. People can wipe themselves with their 30.06 vs 308 ballistics arguments. The fact is that 9 out of every 10 farmhouses in the United States has a few boxes of 30.06 ammo laying around somewhere.

A good point no doubt. The 30-30 is probably even more common and the .308 is pretty common too.
The thing is that for the purpose of this discussion that is someone else's ammo who already has a 30'06.
Do you think a guy with a rifle in that situation is just going to let you walk up and take his ammo?
I wouldn't.

 

[R.H. Lee]

Ben-
Understood !

 

[000Buck]

Probably a 12 gauge of any type....there is more of that ammo out there than anything probably. And its cheap to stock up on now.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Goon, if anyone was still living in those farmhouses, I'd be fighting alongside them and not against them. The idea of fighting against your neighbor is something people who grew up in cities think about. In the country we may have squabbled amongst ourselves, but when push came to shove, we took care of each other. Country people may sue their brothers-in-law for stiffing them on the number of hay bales taken of rental property, but at the same time they would risk their own lives to save the life of those same brothers-in-law they just sued.

 

[1911Tuner]

Country Folk

Lobotomy Boy said:

In the country we may have squabbled amongst ourselves, but when push came to shove, we took care of each other.

Now, there's a lad that grew up out in the sticks...like me! His words ring true. Don't believe it? Go into a small farming community and pick a name
out of a conversation at a local diner. Then dress like a Philadelphia Lawyer and try to get anybody to give you ANY information on that
individual. You'll be lucky to get directions to the interstate highway...

Ain't that America?