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It's interesting that these guys were willing to shoot the BATFEDJDKFOE... agents but then surrender peacefully. Maybe these agents consider the noise of kicking in a door a knock, I don't know. But you would think that if someone is willing to shoot 2 agents, they would keep shooting until they are either out of the building or killed. Unfortunately we will never know the truth, however, it's also interesting that there was no mention of an attempted murder charge in the article.:confused:

At least everyone is alive to present their side in court.
 
If ANYONE kicks down my door and wakes me up before 10 a.m., they are getting shot. That's just out of principle. I'm grouchy in the morning.
 
Is there a great reason justifying sending two agents to potentially force entry, at 4am, into a residence containing what ATFE believed to be more than two armed felons? Why would anyone think that this was a good plan?
:rolleyes:

Could we please try to get the facts straight?

1st, a relative of one of the suspects made a comment about 4AM, but the media has reported that the ATF stated the warrant was served around 6:30AM. The 6:30AM time is more plausible because with rare exception federal warrants must be served during the day, which the courts have ruled means after 6AM.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/hall/newfullstory.asp?ID=109774
"The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents and DeKalb County police were serving the warrant at Pinewood Apartments about 6:30 a.m., said Jeffrey Pearce, assistant special agent in charge with the ATF in Atlanta."

Further, this nonsense about it only being two agents is irritating on two counts. One, many people here whine, "why couldn't they just send two guys in suits over to talk to them," every time cops serve a warrant and things go bad. Two, the media has reported it was between 6 and 10 agents and some local LE officers.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/hall/newfullstory.asp?ID=109774
"Between six and 10 agents, in addition to DeKalb County police, were there to carry out the raid, he said."
 
DMF, three words.......BIG FAT THANKS

What is it with this "chum" threads "ATF Agents shot...."
like chumming the water full of sharks
 
"As I have a C&R app sitting next to me at this moment, I won't speculate how the ATF will kill off the people who surrendered."

This is one of the most bizarre statements I've seen in quite some time.

John
 
Something fishy?

Some facts seem to indicate a pattern for Georgia...
* no-knock warrants routinely granted with little/no justification;
* playing fast and loose with "confidential informants" stories to backfill questionable raids

An appeal: Please, please, lets not divert the thread with ad nauseum discussion of inconsequential side points, like a half hour difference in the raid time, or the definition of "constructive possession"? Thanks in advance.:)
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http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=89171

Details Emerging in ATF Shooting

Reported By: Catherine Kim
Web Editor: Michael King
Last Modified: 12/16/2006 12:02:47 AM

New details are emerging about what led to the shooting of two ATF agents at an apartment complex in DeKalb County on Friday morning.

Chardriguez Durden and Paul Thompson are being held in jail on a series of local charges. Police say federal charges are pending.

Police say it all started when ATF agents tried to serve Durden a warrant for a .45 caliber pistol.

Agents made their way to a Pine Woods apartment to find out what special agents believed began at a pawn shop in Conyers.

According to the warrant, Durden had illegally purchased two firearms from the pawn shop.

But his lawyer, Tony Mathis, is not buying that, saying that the circumstances of the warrant were not valid.

“That’s the person who it had got stolen from,” Mathis said. “For some reason, they come to this man’s house at 5:00 in the morning with a no-knock search warrant, looking for one gun. But there is nothing in this warrant that says why they would need a no-knock search, anyway.”

In the warrant, an ATF agent says Durden instructed a second person to buy two guns, and then stole the guns from the legitimate owner, whom the ATF used as a confidential informant.

According to Mathis, the confidential informant mentioned in the warrant was another woman -- Sonia Reed.

“I’m confused,” Reed said. “They came to me out the blue, to my parents house, asking me questions about what was supposed to have happened with the gun, and I was frightened. I told the truth about what I knew, but I was scared into telling them.”

Reed says she told the ATF a different story than what they used to issue the warrant.

“No, I never told them that he stole the gun from me, because he stayed at the same house. They implied that someone had got killed with one of the guns, is what they said. They wouldn’t tell me which one, basically saying he stole the first one, trying to say he still had it.”


The two agents were treated and released.
 
Anyone notice this line:

The shooting occurred before dawn..

Anyone think there's a possibility this could have been another case of a homeowner being awoken to the sound of his front door being kicked in and reacted as such?
 
Let's bash the cops, let's bash the govt.......

You're being pretty charitable there. Refering to the BATFEces as cops is akin to calling SS camp guards corrections officers.:scrutiny:

BTW, I am a cop and I certainly don't lump them in as brother officers.:mad:

If you noticed, the real cops on-scene talked them into surrendering without further incident.;)
 
While I generally agree with the idea that ATF guys just can't seem to serve a warrant without getting shot at, what is wrong here? Federal officers serve a valid warrant and are shot, and the prevalent thought is "that's what they get"
 
All right, we seem to have reached a new low withthis thread. Celebrating the shooting of law enforcement officers in the line of duty is definately not on the High Road.

There are other places on the internet where you can do this. You can't do it here. If you aren't comfortable with that then perhaps the staff can help you with your decision to find a forum that is more in tune with your ideas.

This one is done.

Jeff
 
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