ATF Barrel Ban update...maybe not so bad.

[LAR-15]

What about as replacement parts for imported guns that were declared non sporting?

Like the Steyr USR (banned in 1998) or FN FNC (banned in 1989)?

Basically guns the BATFE declared non sporting that were once sporting and lawfully imported?

 

[Ravenslair]

Updated link: http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/112205openletter.pdf

 

[billwiese]

I think this will just trigger more "fore replacement use only" notations on parts, along with a copy of 922(r) thrown in.

I'd bet that parts could be imported based on 'replacement' use as well on now-banned-from-import guns.


Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA

 

[beerslurpy]

How can someone make a representation about a use that a subsequent buyer will make of a part?

 

[444]

"I think you are correct about the sten and suomi though."

Really ?
Ok, how about this.
I own a full auto Sten.
On the form 4 I filed with the ATF, box 15 states " I ___________________, have a reasonable necessity to possess the machinegun, short-barreled rifle, short barreled shotgun, or destructive device described on this application for the following reason _______________________________
I filled in that second blank with the words: "For Sporting Purposes".
The form 4 was approved and signed by an examiner, approved and signed by the supervisor, stamped, and returned to me.

Now explain to me why a Sten doesn't count.
Furthermore, I am currently having my Sten rebuilt into a Sterling using my registered tube and a Sterling parts kit including the parts kit barrel. The tax stamp still says "For Sporting Purposes", as it should since sporting purposes are exactly what I use my guns for.

 

[jpIII]

Now explain to me why a Sten doesn't count.

Is the your sten capable of being imported into the country?

Then no, it doesn't count as being sporting regardless of the reason that you put on your form 4.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with this whole god aweful mess of a law, but I don't think your rationale would fly.

I'll be quite happy to be proven wrong though. Only time will tell for sure.

 

[The Drew]

What I don't understand is all this talk of assembly of a non importable rifle... Most of these parts kits are turned into rifles that aren't "imported" because they have enough american made parts...

So it isn't an imported rifle, it is an american made rifle using an imported barrel...

92x shouldn't matter in this case... as it is legal to use SOME imported parts on an american built rifle. And clearly a US built AK is legal to manufacture in the US.

 

[Steamship Trooper]

OK, let me get this straight-

Baseball bat- sporting equipment

Golf club- sporting equipment

Got that so far. Now-

.22 Anshutz biathalon bolt rifle- sporting equipment

.68 cal paintball gun- sporting equipment

(I think anyone but an ATF agent can see where this is going)

Sten gun- Not sporting equipment?

A range I used to go to in San Antonio would rent a H&K MP-5, and let you go through the tactical lane. So, if the pistol competition we would have on the same range was sporting, how could the same lane ran with a submachine gun be "not sporting"?

Of course, the bowling pins weren't shooting back, so I did have SOME advantage

Interesting.

 

[NCP24]

What I don't understand is all this talk of assembly of a non importable rifle... Most of these parts kits are turned into rifles that aren't "imported" because they have enough american made parts...

So it isn't an imported rifle, it is an american made rifle using an imported barrel...

92x shouldn't matter in this case... as it is legal to use SOME imported parts on an american built rifle. And clearly a US built AK is legal to manufacture in the US.

You're applying logic – stop now before it's too late.

 

[jpIII]

Sten gun- Not sporting equipment?

hey,... you're preaching to the quoir buddy. I think they are all "sporting", but I just don't believe the ATF will.

Of course, I also don't think that they should have to be "sporting" to be in the country.

So it isn't an imported rifle, it is an american made rifle using an imported barrel...

correct, it is then legal to use the barrel in an AMERICAN rifle, but to IMPORT that barrel you must show the ATF that it can be used on a gun that qualifies to IMPORTto here, not build here. (there is a difference)

 

[Gifted]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=136495
Whatever happened to that anyway?

But this is a good reason to get rid of the sporting purposes clause.