ATF declares a 14 inch shoe string a machinegun

[Axman]

Did anyone else notice the date on that letter? September 80th, 2004!!!

 

[evan price]

Wes: I understand your meaning here. But wouldn't it also be true anyone with a thumb capable of bump-firing their SA rifle also be considered machine guns, and be required to be serial numbered and registered?
I wonder if they will tattoo the registration number on our forearms....and we would be required to wear some symbol on our clothing to indicate we were machine guns.. I dunno, how about a yellow star or something?

 

[mp510]

So wait, according to the ATF, you need not have an assembled machine gun, but merely machine gun parts capable of being assembled in your possesion to be in violation of the law, right? So does this mean that If I have a semi-automatic rifle, a bit of string, and a keychain in my house that I am now in possesion of parts that are "capable of being assembled into a machinegun", and can go to the slammer for ten years or so? That seems to make a lot of sense..

It's called constructive posession, and the feds love sending folks to Club Fed because they met the constructive posession concept.

 

[Rockrivr1]

Um, you just happen to start thinking of this while you were asleep? What kind of dreams do you have?

 

[Carl N. Brown]

And once a looped shoestring has been attached to the
bolt handle of a semi-auto to pull the trigger as the
bolt closes (tie-on auto sear) it becomes a machine
conversion kit, even if you untie the loop and put it
back in the eyelets of your shoes, it is still a machinegun
conversion kit. Your only recourse is to burn your
shoestring before it is discovered by the ATF.

The only effective crime control is cracking down on
people who do things to other people. This whole
apprach of cracking down on people who just own
things is at best useless and at worst counterproductive.

Otherwise, we'll all be wearing flip-flops and slip-ons.

 

[profshadow]

Does this mean all have to wear Crocs (http://www.shoebuy.com/crocs-shoes.htm ) now????

 

[Wes Janson]

I'd rather be arrested by the ATF and sent to prison than wear those.

 

[mopar92]

I too don't get it... If you have to pull the ring to pull the trigger for round 1, then there is obviously slack in the line. If you pulled the initial round 1, you would have take slack out of the string so it would be perfect to pull the trigger for 2,3,4 etc. I guess I don't get it...

 

[Picard]

That's a clever way to enable sustained fire.

I guess that's why the politicians are attacking semi-auto's now, it's only a shoestring away from full auto

 

[LAK]

What the ATF is saying is that anything used to make a semi-auto weapon fire "alot of rounds per minute" means the same as converting a semi-auto weapon to a full-auto weapon.

Once again, the perversion of language.

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[RMc]

Weep

Read and weep, for by fiat the law is rendered meaningless.

http://www.georgiapacking.org/docs/akins/Complaint_with_exhibits.pdf

 

[RMc]

Possession of a Shoestring ----

See:

http://www.bobernet.com/blog/2007/0/shoe_string_no_longer_a_machin.html

With "clear and reasoned" logic:

Possession of a shoestring is now deemed legal - unless installed as noted.

Thus this part, designed to convert a semi-auto rifle into a machine gun per BATFE ruling, may now be posessed legally.

All other parts designed to complete this type of conversion remain illegal to possess at any time!

You may now tie your shoe - legally.

RMc

 

[Harvster]

Its typically considered poor form to resurrect two year old posts unless perhaps its an update to a court case or similar.

 

[Picard]

I found it to be interesting and extremely clever. Since I'm fairly new here, I would never have seen this unless someone did resurrect it.

 

[psyopspec]

Its typically considered poor form to resurrect two year old posts unless perhaps its an update to a court case or similar.

I'd never heard of this piece of etiquette before. What's the reasoning behind it? As has been pointed out, the thread is not new, but it may be new to some.

 

[Acera]

Its typically considered poor form to resurrect two year old posts unless perhaps its an update to a court case or similar.

Harvester is absolutely correct. Some bulletin boards you get points (toward a mandated vacation, or being banned) for such a violation.

If you don't believe us, consult a moderator or an administrator.

Start a new thread............

 

[psyopspec]

But at the same time, how often are new users told to "use the search function" if they wish to explore or comment on a topic that's been brought up? How does one differentiate when to revive an old thread and when to start a new one?

 

[sanglant]

and a little more liberty goes down the drain

 

[Picard]

The thing is, though, that the search function would have never helped me, or I'm sure some other people, because I have never thought of something like this.

 

[H088]

How did we let BATF get this out of control?

 

[Acera]

psyopspec wrote:

But at the same time, how often are new users told to "use the search function"

That is considered rude also, and against the stated guidelines of posting here by the administrators:

As posted in the sticky at the top of the main page, "A Primer on THR Courtsey" near the bottom.

asks a question that has been answered a thousand times in the past, please don't be so rude as to simply say "Try a search".

I am sure you did not know it was rude to eat with you mouth open until some one told you. So that is all I see Harvester as doing, just trying to be nice and inform the uninformed. I tried to add validity to his post, and support proper etiquette.



Back to the original intent of the article. It is plain that the person that was accused of the crime took a piece of material and modified it to fire his weapon illegally. The material used is immaterial, whether a piece of shoestring or steel, it was the result that mattered.

 

[H088]

Back to the original intent of the article. It is plain that the person that was accused of the crime took a piece of material and modified it to fire his weapon illegally. The material used is immaterial, whether a piece of shoestring or steel, it was the result that mattered.

Well hellfire trigger mod is legal which aids in bump firing. The ATF spends more time harassing citizens and manufactures then doing anything to cut down on illegal guns used in crime.

Who ever had the bright idea to file a lawsuit over a shoestring needs to be fired.

 

[Acera]

HO88, in bump firing you actually actuate the trigger each time, it just seems like you don't. That is legal. Manufacturing a part that makes a semi automatic gun fire fully automatic without the proper paperwork is illegal. It is very simple to understand, and most of us understand that you should not do that. Who cares what it is made of, (unless you want to try the same thing). It is folks like the now convict that tarnish the image of good law abiding citizens that engage in these shooting sports of ours.

Fired? The officer was doing what we as tax payers pay him to do, his job.

 

[H088]

Fired? The officer was doing what we as tax payers pay him to do, his job.

The tax payers never payed him to do that, its the goverment which has gotten out of control.

Its absurd, its stupid, its typical of what our goverment has turned into...........

 

[FieroCDSP]

I think we need a shoestring and key-ring to put down this zombie thread. Not the oldest to rise from the grave, but close.