Atlanta cops indicted for killing eldery woman

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I am less interested in what happens to the two guilty officers, and more interested in seeing that another elderly and innocent homeowner doesn't get killed over the zeal to protect evidence.

Those two officers are done.

I want to see something done -- like eliminating "no knock" warrants -- that will ensure something more like actual justice in the future.
 
I wonder how many times this same thing has happened with a 20 something instead of a 90 something and we never heard about it...?
 
RogerJames, this might help answer your question: The data is for the last 10 years, and is incomplete ( I know of a Tennessee incident that isn't listed, where a teenage girl was shot in the head during a 'no-knock' raid last year).

See http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

Even with incomplete data, 41 innocents killed, 22 'non-violent offenders', no data on 'violent offenders', which the lady who is the subject of this thread would surely have been if the cops hadn't gotten caught.

As it says - an 'epidemic' of isolated incidents.
 
Has the officer that plead guilty gotten some guarantee he won't end up in the general prison population over this? If not he is in for a hard time in prison.
Generally, former police officers are administratively segregated from general population, much like child molesters, etc.

I'm sure that using the threat of being put in general prison population as a means of getting a guilty plea would be looked at by the courts as coercing a confession in violation of the Fifth Amendment.

If you have never sat in court watching the process, I recommend you do so. In the cases I witnessed where the defendant entered a guilty plea, the judge is very careful to ensure the plea was not coerced, is completely voluntary, that no deals or promises were made by the Prosecutor of reducted punishment or preferential treatment, and the defendant fully understands what the possible punishment can be.

Pilgrim
 
The story, the "official reports", changed 3 times in the first days after this happened. Thats what caught my attention, and possibly others.

Thats usually a sign they are lying through their teeth. The other sign is when they refuse to say anything for several days, which generally means they are attempting to come up with some plausible story to explain their actions.
 
I want to see something done -- like eliminating "no knock" warrants -- that will ensure something more like actual justice in the future.

There are several things that will reduce the risk to the citizenry from 'over-zealous cops".

The first is to just stop the war on drugs. It is an abject failure, it has made the drug problem worse, and it is helping to destroy the very fabric of our society. It was a bad idea from day, and it gets worse as time goes on.

The second is to treat LE criminal behavior the same way as any other criminal behavior is treated. It gets investigated by some outside agency that is not associated in anyway with the agency that employs the suspects. the same legal standards should apply to everyone.

No knock warrants should be reserved solely where they are necessary to preserve the life of innocent citizens. Making it harder to flush evidence is not an adequate reason to squash the constitution.

Lastly, all searches of private property should be video taped by an independent entity. Each individual cop involved in the search should be taped to insure no evidence is planted. The technology exists to put a wireless video camera on every officer involved in the search.
 
Documents Reveal: Cops Planted Pot on 92-Year Old Woman They Killed in Botched Drug R

By Rhonda Cook, Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Posted April 30, 2007.

Atlanta resident Kathryn Johnston's death has finally been exposed to be a case of police coverup in clear example of the insanity of the war on drugs.

According to federal documents released this week, these are the events that led to Kathryn Johnston's death and the steps the officers took to cover their tracks.

Three narcotics agents were trolling the streets near the Bluffs in northwest Atlanta, a known market for drugs, midday on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving.

Eventually they set their sights on some apartments on Lanier Street, usually fertile when narcotics agents are looking for arrests and seizures.

Gregg Junnier and another narcotics officer went inside the apartments around 2 p.m. while Jason Smith checked the woods. Smith found dozens of bags of marijuana -- in baggies that were clear, blue or various other colors and packaged to sell. With no one connected to the pot, Smith stashed the bags in the trunk of the patrol car. A use was found for Smith's stash 90 minutes later: A phone tip led the three officers to a man in a "gold-colored jacket" who might be dealing. The man, identified as X in the documents but known as Fabian Sheats, spotted the cops and put something in his mouth. They found no drugs on Sheats, but came up with a use for the pot they found earlier.

They wanted information or they would arrest Sheats for dealing.

While Junnier called for a drug-sniffing dog, Smith planted some bags under a rock, which the K-9 unit found.

But if Sheats gave them something, he could walk.

Sheats pointed out 933 Neal St., the home of 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston. That, he claimed, is where he spotted a kilogram of cocaine when he was there to buy crack from a man named "Sam."

They needed someone to go inside, but Sheats would not do for their purposes because he was not a certified confidential informant.

So about 5:05 p.m. they reached out by telephone to Alex White to make an undercover buy for them. They had experience with White and he had proved to be a reliable snitch.

But White had no transportation and could not help.

Still, Smith, Junnier and the other officer, Arthur Tesler, according to the state's case, ran with the information. They fabricated all the right answers to persuade a magistrate to give them a no-knock search warrant.

By 6 p.m., they had the legal document they needed to break into Kathryn Johnston's house, and within 40 minutes they were prying off the burglar bars and using a ram to burst through the elderly woman's front door. It took about two minutes to get inside, which gave Johnston time to retrieve her rusty .38 revolver.

Tesler was at the back door when Junnier, Smith and the other narcotics officers crashed through the front.

Johnston got off one shot, the bullet missing her target and hitting a porch roof. The three narcotics officers answered with 39 bullets.

Five or six bullets hit the terrified woman. Authorities never figured out who fired the fatal bullet, the one that hit Johnston in the chest. Some pieces of the other bullets -- friendly fire -- hit Junnier and two other cops.

The officers handcuffed the mortally wounded woman and searched the house.

There was no Sam.

There were no drugs.

There were no cameras that the officers had claimed was the reason for the no-knock warrant.

Just Johnston, handcuffed and bleeding on her living room floor.

That is when the officers took it to another level. Three baggies of marijuana were retrieved from the trunk of the car and planted in Johnston's basement. The rest of the pot from the trunk was dropped down a sewage drain and disappeared.

The three began getting their stories straight.

The next day, one of them, allegedly Tesler, completed the required incident report in which he wrote that the officers went to the house because their informant had bought crack at the Neal Street address. And Smith turned in two bags of crack to support that claim.

They plotted how they would cover up the lie.

They tried to line up one of their regular informants, Alex White, the reliable snitch with the unreliable transportation.

The officers' story would be that they met with White at an abandoned carwash Nov. 21 and gave him $50 to make the buy from Neal Street.

To add credibility to their story, they actually paid White his usual $30 fee for information and explained to him how he was to say the scenario played out if asked. An unidentified store owner kicked in another $100 to entice White to go along with the play.

The three cops spoke several times, assuring each other of the story they would tell.

But Junnier was the first to break.

On Dec. 11, three weeks after the shooting, Junnier told the FBI it was all a lie.

Note: Junnier will face 10 years and one month and Smith 12 years and seven months. No sentencing date was immediately set, and the sentences are contingent on the men cooperating with the government. Arthur Tesler, also on administrative leave, was charged with violation of oath by a public officer, making false statements and false imprisonment under color of legal process. His attorney, William McKenney, said Tesler expects to go to trial.

http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/51151/
 
Generally, former police officers are administratively segregated from general population, much like child molesters, etc.

That's the problem with prisions these days. the truly disgusting scum doesn't get a chance to be quietly eliminated...

Where did the police officer obtain the bags of marijuana to plant as evidence?

From the evidence lockers, maybe?
 
Whose name is on the warrant affidavit? I'm betting it's the guy who refused to plead out.

Whoever's signature is on the warrant affidavit needs to get a heaping helping of the Felony Murder Rule. He deserves to DIE.

If a guy in Chicago can get the death penalty merely for being IN a drug house when one cop ACCIDENTALLY shot and killed another cop in a raid, the cop who WILFULLY perjured himself to authorize a no knock raid in which an innocent woman was killed, DEFINITELY deserves the needle.
 
If a guy in Chicago can get the death penalty merely for being IN a drug house when one cop ACCIDENTALLY shot and killed another cop in a raid, the cop who WILFULLY perjured himself to authorize a no knock raid in which an innocent woman was killed, DEFINITELY deserves the needle.

my guess is none of them do any time at all.
 
my guess is none of them do any time at all.
That doesn't seem to be the way this is headed, but I'm never one to underestimate the corruption rampant in our "justice" system. This is Atlanta, not Chicago. It actually appears that the Atlanta PD considers the cops' actions outside of normally accepted practice.

Still, I consider the proposed sentences a slap on the wrist, especially if they're not in general population. Any cop who commits a crime of this nature should have to accept double the sentence if he wants special treatment. Otherwise, he does his time and takes his chances like everybody else.
 
Does anyone here believe that the only bad cops in department were all on this raid?

What a telling disgrace this whole episode is. And if they had shot down a young black guy instead, almost everybody here would have accepted their BS as "fact".
 
Where did the police officer obtain the bags of marijuana to plant as evidence?
From TFA:
Three narcotics agents were trolling the streets near the Bluffs in northwest Atlanta, a known market for drugs, midday on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving.

Eventually they set their sights on some apartments on Lanier Street, usually fertile when narcotics agents are looking for arrests and seizures.

Gregg Junnier and another narcotics officer went inside the apartments around 2 p.m. while Jason Smith checked the woods. Smith found dozens of bags of marijuana -- in baggies that were clear, blue or various other colors and packaged to sell. With no one connected to the pot, Smith stashed the bags in the trunk of the patrol car. A use was found for Smith's stash 90 minutes later: A phone tip led the three officers to a man in a "gold-colored jacket" who might be dealing. The man, identified as X in the documents but known as Fabian Sheats, spotted the cops and put something in his mouth. They found no drugs on Sheats, but came up with a use for the pot they found earlier.
What follows that is even scarier:
They wanted information or they would arrest Sheats for dealing.

While Junnier called for a drug-sniffing dog, Smith planted some bags under a rock, which the K-9 unit found.

But if Sheats gave them something, he could walk.

Sheats pointed out 933 Neal St., the home of 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston. That, he claimed, is where he spotted a kilogram of cocaine when he was there to buy crack from a man named "Sam."

They needed someone to go inside, but Sheats would not do for their purposes because he was not a certified confidential informant.

So about 5:05 p.m. they reached out by telephone to Alex White to make an undercover buy for them. They had experience with White and he had proved to be a reliable snitch.

But White had no transportation and could not help.

Still, Smith, Junnier and the other officer, Arthur Tesler, according to the state's case, ran with the information. They fabricated all the right answers to persuade a magistrate to give them a no-knock search warrant.
There's no way these guys should be allowed to plead to manslaughter; they didn't just plant weed to cover a mistake--they fraudulently claimed evidence to get the warrant in the first place. And--if what I've heard is correct--they'll get to serve their Federal sentences concurrently, instead of consecutively.

:barf:
 
Don't these cops count as "cop bashers"?

They have done more to destroy the credibility and reputation of law enforcement than 10,000 people posting in the internet. It doesn't matter if anybody thinks it's "fair" to the rest of the cops. It just IS. What will the rest say, "It was ONLY those three"? Why should they be believed?

Why should these cops be allowed to skate for destroying any trust in the Atlanta PD AND murdering an elderly woman in the bargain? This is FAR worse than any questionable shoot because it's a direct attack on the fundamental credibility of the Atlanta PD. What they have done is put it into the minds of the public that any Atlanta cop could in fact be a criminal, and is to be feared as one. The cops who murdered this woman and tried to obstruct justice are the perfect moral equals of any criminal they claimed to be after. Criminals can rob, rape and murder. They can't destroy public trust in the police. Only the POLICE can do that. The interesting question is whether the police union will stand steadfastly behind these cops as it inevitably does in Chicago.

The system in Georgia has to decide whether it will salvage any tattered shred of credibility it has left. If it does, these ridiculously light proposed sentences cannot be allowed to stand.
 
A very insightful comment from a poster over at Reason
"It would be awfully coincidental if the only three bad drug cops at APD all happened to be working together this particular night, and happened to get caught on this particular raid."

That says it all. Either these guys were incredibly unlucky in that the only three dirty cops who happened to do this for the first time had it go ary, or this is just SOP for the APD. I am betting on the latter. I think that this type of behavior is probably edemic in the department.

How did it get endemic? It got that way in no small part because of the pressures on the police department and thus the cops to get arrests and convictions. The cops got ahead by getting as many convictions as possible. It was hard to get convictions lawfully, so it is not surprising that some or even most of them would start getting convictions unlawfully. People do respond to incentives. That doesn't excuse what they did. I agree with Radly that hancuffing the woman and letting her blead to death is depraved indifference and is second degree murder, not manslaughter. But, if you want to stop this kind of thing, you need to at least consider what kind incentives we are creating for cops when we reward them for the quanity of their arrests rather than the quality.

I fully agree that what they did is wholly wrong, and they're responsible for their murder (and that's what it is, really). That said, I also agree that we, the people, have created an atmosphere that breeds this sort of behavior. How often do we clamor for "law and order?" Not necessarily the people on this board (though, as with any collection of individuals, some of them have), but as a society, we've put so much emphasis on stopping crime--particularly drug crime, but we see similar cases in gambling, and even in crimes with actual victims--that we judge number of arrests and number of convictions.
 
Flyboy,

The so-called "war on drugs" has been the greatest corrupting influence on law enforcement since...the "war on alcohol" (yeah, I know--our ancestors weren't dumb enough to use this terminology).

Now, throw in the grotesque "civil forfeiture" laws, which literally create a bounty for LE departments to loot citizens, and you have the perfect storm for turning law enforcement into organized crime. And most Americans just turn their heads.
 
coltrane679
Haven't you heard, these are isolated incidents.
I lived in Key West for 16 years, the place is still run by pirates.
 
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