Attacks On The Mexican Border On BP

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I do not think this has been posted yet. It is a an article today in the Washington Times concerning attacks on the US Border Patrol on the Mexican border. Includes attacks using automatic weapons.

"Sixty-four Border Patrol agents have been assaulted in the past three months along a 260-mile stretch of the Arizona-Mexico border — the country's busiest illegal entry point — as the U.S. government continues its fight for "operational control" of the region."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050127-115822-7314r.htm
 
Spoke with a friend of mine that is a cattle buyer on the border. He has spent his whole life in that country. Crosses over on a regular basis.

He said "This is the first time in my life that I have been afraid to go to Mexico"

He's not one to jump at shadows.

Smoke
 
To give an idea of how serious this is, our news media has had several stories about the civilian groups assisting the Border Patrol, and not olny did they NOT call them militia, but they actually said that they were welcome assistance. One guy was shown BADLY concealing his sidearm, as they talked about not confronting illegals, but summoning BP. Nobody commented on the obvious pistol hiding under the sweater....
This kind of turn around shows the situation may indeed be growing serious :mad: .
 
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The Rice state department just issued a travel warning for Mexico. Other countries with travel warnings are Iraq, Iran, Tajikistan etc various other ????holes.

I was thinking that this could represent the beginning of a gradual escalation towards really closing off the borders.

I have begun to think it would be awesome if a full scale war broke out along the border. Not because I want people to die (americans certainly arent bulletproof, at least I'm not), but because I want the solution to be a real one that has lasting effects and takes less than 100 years to implement because the government drags its feet. It would certainly force a better solution than our governmet is likely to impose otherwise,which will amount to various half-measures slowly implemented.
 
I have begun to think it would be awesome if a full scale war broke out along the border. Not because I want people to die (americans certainly arent bulletproof, at least I'm not), but because I want the solution to be a real one that has lasting effects and takes less than 100 years to implement because the government drags its feet.
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A five mile 'prohibited' zone south of the border would be nice.

Pilgrim
 
Am I correct in assuming it is just the border region of Mexico that is dangerous? I traveled to the interior a few years ago and I would much like to do so again safely.

A five mile 'prohibited' zone south of the border would be nice.
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Just for rural areas, right? I'm not sure people in TJ would like to pack up their city and move. :D
 
looking ahead...

Obscene, intolerable.

This will end not with "accords" between their pols and ours or vigilante action but when there is full recognition that a para-government exists in Mexico that is essentially a criminal enterprise and we use our military to pacify not only the border but in all likelihood a swath of land beyond it.

Do I think W. will ever use the word "terrorism" to describe the oppression now being visited upon the Mexican people by their Government and the criminal element operating in concert with it? Doubtful.
 
Ambassador Explains Mexico Travel Warning
Associated Press

MEXICO CITY -- U.S. Ambassador to Mexico Tony Garza told Mexican leaders Wednesday he is concerned that growing drug-related violence and kidnappings on the border between the two countries will have a "chilling" effect on trade and tourism.
Garza's comments in a letter directed to Mexican Foreign Relations Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez and federal Attorney Rafael Macedo de la Concha explained the motives behind a public announcement from the U.S. State Department to citizens thinking of traveling to the region.

The department on Wednesday alerted Americans visiting Mexico that violent crime, including murder and kidnaping, has increased in its northern border region. The alert attributed the increased crime to a war between criminal organizations struggling for control of the lucrative narcotics trade. It said the leaders of several major criminal organizations have been arrested, creating a power vacuum.

"U.S. citizens should be aware of the risk posed by the deteriorating security situation," the department warned. It added that the great majority of victims are Mexican citizens.

The U.S. Embassy in Mexico distributed Garza's letter to news agencies after issuing the alert.

A Mexican Foreign Relations Department spokesman, Allan Nahum, said officials "have received the notification and we are going to pass it along to the appropriate authorities so that they may respond" as they see fit.

The advisory came just days after the Mexican government sent federal police officers to patrol the streets of the border city of Nuevo Laredo, across from Laredo, Texas, at the request of local authorities who said the crime and violence had become too great for them to handle.

It also comes as officials crack down on top-security federal prisons housing reputed drug traffickers who allegedly have continued to operate their businesses from behind bars with the help of corrupt prison employees.

In the latest move against prisons, federal agents and soldiers seized the top-security Matamoros prison, in the border city of the same name across from Brownsville, Texas, after six prison employees were slain and their bodies dumped outside the prison gates last Thursday.

In the latest move against prisons, federal agents and soldiers seized the top-security Wednesday in the border city of Matamoros, across from Brownsville, Texas, after six prison employees were slain and their bodies dumped outside the prison gates last Thursday.

Investigators say the Matamoros prison employees were apparently killed by drug traffickers settling turf disputes and prison vendettas.

Garza noted that while the great majority of border violence victims are Mexican citizens, "the elevated level of violence generally has resulted in greater risks to the thousands of American citizens visiting and passing through the border region every day. Increased numbers of murdered and kidnapped Americans in recent months bear this out."

Garza went on to say that he worried "the inability of local law enforcement to come to grips with rising drug warfare, kidnappings and random street violence will have a chilling effect on the cross-border exchange, tourism and commerce so vital to the region's prosperity.... We certainly do not want at this time to advise Americans to refrain from traveling to Mexico by land or to avoid the border areas, but it is our responsibility to alert them to the enhanced risks," Garza said.

He added that he applauded President Vicente Fox's efforts to combat crime and drug trafficking and said he hoped "that commitment will make a difference at the state and local levels."
 
Do I think W. will ever use the word "terrorism" to describe the oppression now being visited upon the Mexican people by their Government and the criminal element operating in concert with it? Doubtful.
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Of course not. That might offend his pal Vicente. He only calls people in countries he wants to invade "terrorists".
 
It is about timne the press started doing a decent job of reporting what is goin on down here. What would be even nicer would be Uncle Sugar doing something about it. Nothing but yak yak yak.

Get need to get some firepower down here and finish the job WW wouldn't.

Sam
 
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FBI warns of plot to kidnap, kill border agents

Brownsville Herald article

Jan. 28, 2005 — A plot to kidnap and kill two FBI agents on the Texas-Mexico border was announced Friday in a bulletin issued by the agency’s San Antonio office.

According to a copy of the FBI bulletin obtained by The Brownsville Herald, officials said they had received credible information that members of the Gulf Cartel plan to kidnap two agents, take them into Mexico and then murder them.

The cartel allegedly has 250 armed men posted near Matamoros, across from Brownsville.

According to the bulletin, several members of the group have valid visas and passports that would allow them to enter the United States quietly and legally.

The FBI requested that all law enforcement personnel keep a high degree of vigilance until further notice.

FBI spokesman Rene Salinas with the agency’s San Antonio regional office told The Herald the bulletin was issued at noon on Friday, but added that the suspected plot remains uncorroborated and under investigation.

“We’re trying to make sure it’s legit,†Salinas said.

Although the bulletin indicated that FBI agents are the intended target, Salinas said it was not clear whether the plot would ultimately be carried out against agents with other federal agencies or members of state or local law enforcement agencies.

Despite the advisory, Salinas said no federal agents have been removed from their assigned posts.

“When people sign up to be a law enforcement official, whether it’s federal, state or local, there’s always a certain amount of risks involved with the profession,†he said.

Salinas said the FBI advised all local, state and federal law enforcement agencies in Texas at noon Friday.

Brownsville police said they received the bulletin, but the Cameron County Sheriff’s Department Chief Deputy Gus Reyna said his agency did not.

Consul John Naland with the U.S. Consulate in Matamoros said his did not receive the bulletin, but there are no FBI or DEA agents assigned to his post.

The FBI bulletin comes two days after the U.S. State Department issued an alert for Americans to be cautious when traveling along the southern side of the U.S.-Mexico border.

The State Department alert was issued in response to a wave of recent drug-related violence in the border states of Mexico.

The FBI bulletin was issued the same day that Mexican authorities transferred drug boss Rafael Caro Quintero to maximum-security prison CEFERESO No. 3, west of Matamoros from Puente Grande, a maximum-security prison in Jalisco, according to Spanish-language wire service Notimex and the U.S. Department of Justice. Before Puente Grande, Caro was at another jail facility outside Mexico City called La Palma.

According to the DEA, Caro was imprisoned for drug trafficking and his involvement in the 1985 kidnapping, torture and murder of DEA Special Agent Enrique Camarena.

Earlier this month, Caro’s younger brother Miguel Angel Caro Quintero was also transferred to CEFERESO No. 3 from La Palma, reportedly to break up alliances at La Palma.
 
Just for rural areas, right? I'm not sure people in TJ would like to pack up their city and move.
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Artillery shells are cheap. I'm sure we can find a way to pursuade them.

I am really starting to think that a lot of republicans (like the president and mccain for starters) have missed the bus on this one and are going to get themselves thrown out of office if they fail to recognize how serious a problem the immigration issue is. They dont exactly have a crushing advantage in either the house or senate.
 
Just for rural areas, right? I'm not sure people in TJ would like to pack up their city and move.
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It would probably improve the value of land in the area. Have you been to TJ lately? Last time I went it was like a badly run third world country.

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Why would attacks on BP agents by the Criminals who call themselves refugees come as a surprise, especially since the same topic has been beat to death by our members.

I don't even want to get ranting over the " Mexicanization" of the Western States, and the blatent ways our Governments, (Both State and local) are bending over backwards to ease the Illegal's difficulties. I guess they really believe if we legalize those already here, the rest of the hoard will stay home.

Never having been a land owner in a Border State, I can't say for sure what my response would be to seeing hoards of Illegals using my fields as a super highway, stealing whatever is not nailed down and leaving mounds of excrement in payment. Considering my Conservative views ((just slightly Right of Attilla the Hun) I strongly suspect I would be protecting my "Kingdom", and perhaps doing a thinning of the Herd.
 
Mexico, U.S. Seek to Defuse Drug Criticism Spat

Sat Jan 29, 2:19 PM ET World - Reuters



MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - High-ranking Mexican and American officials met for an hour and issued a joint statement on Saturday as they sought to defuse a spat sparked by U.S. criticism of the local war on drugs and a travel warning.



Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez met with U.S. Ambassador Tony Garza, days after Garza sent a letter charging that Mexican police were losing the battle against violent crime along the two countries' 2,000-mile border.


Mexico was angered by the letter on Wednesday and President Vicente Fox (news - web sites)'s government warned the United States not to interfere in its affairs.


Compounding the spat was a State Department travel alert, also issued on Wednesday, warning Americans of increased murders and kidnappings in Mexican border cities.


Saturday's statement blamed the violence on criminal gangs and praised the Fox government's fight against the drug trade.


"They also agreed that most urban violence in the border region is caused by fighting among gangs, mostly drug traffickers, struggling for control of the narcotics trade, as ever more leaders of major criminal organizations have been arrested by Mexican law enforcement officials," the statement said.


Garza said his letter had sought to give context to the travel warning and "highlight the fact that the wave of border violence is a result of the successful efforts of President Fox's administration in the fight against organized crime."


In a crackdown after a surge in violence along the border, Mexico sent troops this month to protect and control jails and transferred jailed drug lords to other prisons to make it more difficult to run their cartels from their cells.


The economies of Mexico and the United States have become closely linked since the North American Free Trade Agreement came into force in 1994.


But Mexico, which lost half of its territory to the United States in a 19th-century war, is still sensitive to anything it suspects is U.S. interference in domestic matters.
 
Artillery shells are cheap. I'm sure we can find a way to pursuade them.
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Yeah, be sure to violate Mexico's sovereignty because you fellas want a five mile no man's land extending into THEIR territory. Jesus. If America wants a no-man's land, it's up to America to make a fence five miles north of the current border, not the other way around.
 
The FBI bulletin comes two days after the U.S. State Department issued an alert for Americans to be cautious when traveling along the southern side of the U.S.-Mexico border.
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So how long will it be before they have to issue a warning about traveling on the NORTH (USA) side of the border ...? :rolleyes:

Mexico was angered by the letter on Wednesday and President Vicente Fox (news - web sites)'s government warned the United States not to interfere in its affairs.
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Oh yeah, well maybe he should keep his :cuss: nose out of our affairs - specifically our immigration laws :fire:


"...the wave of border violence is a result of the successful efforts of President Fox's administration in the fight against organized crime."
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Excuse me ... could you run that one by me again ...? :rolleyes:
(I don't think that word "successful" means what you think it does :p )
 
Border Patrol issued a statement yesterday discouraging the civlian militias from assisting, as they are "not trained in law enforcement" even though they do not apprehend illegals, merely detain a few for BP to come pick up.
One solution, one only - invade. Iraquify the place. Rebuild so they don't need to run away from thier own country. Only crime and corruption keeps Mexico from being a 1st world country - they are full of natural resources!
 
I saw something on a Foxnews text scroll.. that said the Mexican government had warned the US govt not to interfere with their affairs (speaking about the increased violence supposedly due to a battle between druglords.)

Take the "guide" discussed here for example http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=118985

Personally I think the border issue is rather simple to fix. You issue a warning to all Mexican citizens and all American borderline citizens.
ANYONE and I mean ANYhuman that moves is subject to instant death.
Then we pay to have Apaches patrol the border 24/7 period.

There should be a distinct line of minigun fire and missles along the stretch from our boys cutting a line in the "sand"

Then we work on redefining NAFTA.

Or the other solution... make Mexico the 51st state followed by Canada as the 52nd. And just have the United States of Americas

JMHO
 
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