attempting glass bedding for first time. Tips?

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Got a CZ455 trainer in 22lr that comes with a long 24" barrel. I'd like to try my hand at wringing out a bit more accuracy by bedding the barrel/action. Inspection of the current stock/barrel fitment would suggest definite improvements could be made. The only problem... I've never done this before.

Any tips that might prevent me from ruining my rifle? :D
 
Read the directions from Brownells, watch a couple videos. . . and take your time.

I've done 2 now, and both went quite well.
 
Typically bedding is only used around the receiver and no farther forward than the front recoil lug, any barrel/stock problems usually require stock modification (shaving material away to produce a floating barrel).
 
Typically bedding is only used around the receiver and no farther forward than the front recoil lug, any barrel/stock problems usually require stock modification (shaving material away to produce a floating barrel).

Very good to know. That might completely change my plans. The problems I see are spots forward of the recoil lug where the stock and barrel seem to be a hair out of alignment, causing the stock to lightly contact one side of the barrel (or not - depending on your grip).

It seems this would still be a problem I could correct - perhaps only in part - by bedding the action, if I could improve said alignment in the process. That's more a question than a statement ;)
 
When you think you have enough release agent, apply another coat. Make sure that you have release agent everywhere that it needs to be AND make sure that you have any screw holes or other potential mechanical-lock location filled with something. I use modelling clay. Make sure that your screws are coated with release agent. Make sure that you have tape anywhere you want a gap. (front, sides and bottom of the recoil lug for example.)

Make sure you have everything ready before you start mixing whatever you're using for bedding material.

If you bed a wood stock and don't install pillars, you're only doing a half the job (in my opinion). The wood will eventually compress and cause things to shift.

Get a set of these if you can find them for a CZ455:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/449539/forster-stockmakers-hand-screws-mauser-98-package-of-2

Bedding material is very hard to remove once hardened. Be ready to wipe away any excess and also be ready to tear everything apart and wipe it clean if you see anything going wrong before it cures. (Had to do that once. Wasn't fun, but beat the heck out of a permanently-attached stock.) There's usually something on the package that tells you what to use to clean uncured mix. I think Devcon 2-ton, which I've used before, suggests a rag soaked in white vinegar.

Just some of my suggestions... And read a lot about it before you start.

Matt
 
As others have said, read various tutorials and instructions and watch some vids.

I'd just throw in a couple of simple pointers:
Make sure you mix more compound that you'll need and apply it heavily. It is much easier to remove excess that squeezes out than it is to rebed or even touch up any voids.
 
I found Johnson paste wax to be an excellent release agent and I rubbed it on everything. Stock, barrel, action, trigger guard. Coat everything you will touch with release agent as these epoxy glues stick to your fingers. I also wrapped my stock in Painter's Tape. This is the easy peel masking tape, while I got epoxy finger prints on the tape, it peels off quickly.

These epoxies cure quickly, you have to have everything ready to go once you mix the two part glues. I had plenty of Popsicle sticks, cut up paper towels, all my tools on hand, nothing to find.

Widen your stock channel before bedding the action.

For most stock bedding I prefer epoxies that have the consistency of peanut butter. Devcon, Marine Tex, https://www.google.com/shopping/pro...UKEwi12e3x6OfOAhXCRCYKHW0fA8cQ8wIIwwIwBAthese mix up goopy. However I have had to pour epoxies into small areas, and then you want something that flows. I have used Evercoat Marine Epoxy https://www.google.com/shopping/pro...d=0ahUKEwi12e3x6OfOAhXCRCYKHW0fA8cQ8wIIygIwBQ for cracks. Evercoat flows like honey.
 
Lots of release agent, cover exposed stock with blue painters tape, and use a bit more epoxy than you think you'll need, its easier to remove excess than it is to re-do the job when you put down too little. I usually do a short 1-2" pad just in front of the recoil lug, under the chamber, then free-float from there.
 
I did one many years ago before the Internet was around so take it with a grain of salt. I cleaned up the inside of the stock and covered the receiver with Saran Wrap, used JB weld as the bedding material.

That and free floating (wrap a dowel with sand paper until the diameter was enough that the stock did not touch the barrel) barrel. Turned a 6" group rifle into a "cloverleaf" rifle. Never had a rifle that shot that bad, that I didn't get rid of, since then but I still have that one.
 
Brownell's. Acra-glas gel. LOTS OF ACRA RELEASE SPRAY. Then give it 5-6 more coats. Little pricey but works great. HMnnhhh... I wonder if any of the furniture spray waxes would work, too. (try that after your first one)
 
I will reinforce the idea of a liberal amount of release agent! I had a guy that brought me his gun after his "bedding job" where he forgot release agent. It was a costly fix but luckily I saved his stock. Make sure you remove enough stock material to accommodate the bedding compound to be filled in with. Use Permatex Prussian Blue grease on your barrel to show where it contacts the stock and only remove metal in those areas. It is sort of a painstaking process but well worth the time. Don't forget release agent on the outside of your stock too!
 
Use Permatex Prussian Blue grease on your barrel to show where it contacts the stock and only remove metal in those areas.

Surely you meant "wood"?


I took a piece of paper and slide it between the barrel and stock channel. Where it bound I made a mark on the tape. Then I took the action out and removed some stock wood at the tape mark, reassembled the action and stock, and slide the paper till I found another binding spot.
 
I use Johnson's Paste Was as a release agent. Thin as possible coat so the metal has the tightest fit to the bedding.

Devcon and Marinetex are both the best. They shrink the least when cured. Acuraglass is among the worst.

A sheet of paper's only a few thousandths inch thick. Most rifle fore ends bend more than that at their tip when shot from all positions. At least 1/16th inch clearance is needed between barrel and fore end. That sheet of paper or business card idea is an old shooter's wives tale. It's easy to measure how much your stock's fore end bends in shooting positions. Everyone I know of who's done it is quite surprised; I sure was my first time.

Round receiver 22 rimfire rifles typically shoot most accurate with 20 to 25 inch pounds torque on stock screws. Loosen them half a turn after shooting, then retorque before shooting again. Keeps the stock from crushing too much.
 
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Johnson's Paste Wax as a release agent. One can will be good for life.

Kiwi Neutral shoe polish also works well, is cheaper and available everywhere.

Do at least two coats just to make sure everywhere gets at least one. Beware of any overhangs or nooks where the epoxy can seep in and form a hook that will keep the action from being pulled back out of the stock.

I highly recommend that you spring for Brownells Acraglas GEL (green box). It's designed for bedding, has the consistency of warm peanut butter before it hardens, sets up slowly for plenty of working time and is easy to dye black or brown.
 
Thanks so much for all the good advice!

So it sounds there's no way to use too much release agent, within reason, correct? I can just err on the side of caution and so long as I'm good with the extra expense no problems slathering it on?
 
So it sounds there's no way to use too much release agent, within reason, correct?
If the barreled action comes out of the cured epoxy easy, too much release agent was used.

Tight fitting receivers to the bedding ensure consistent position from shot to shot.

If you have to pry the barreled action out, it's a good tight fit and release agent was the correct thickness.
 
Been there, done that.

When or if your metal sticks in the stock put it in the freezer overnight. The metal will contract and the action will come out easier. Marine Tech works very well for bedding. Bergara uses it in their rifles.
 
If the barreled action comes out of the cured epoxy easy, too much release agent was used.

Tight fitting receivers to the bedding ensure consistent position from shot to shot.

If you have to pry the barreled action out, it's a good tight fit and release agent was the correct thickness.

Much appreciated Bart, as well as all the great info above! Good stuff.

One question: Do you do things differently for long vs short barrels. This CZ has a 24" (non-bull) barrel. Do I still just make sure I have 1/16" clearance around the whole barrel forward of the chamber? Do the harmonics on long barrels necessitate other procedures?
 
I use neutral shoe polish as a release agent.

Now, . . . , Something nobody else has mentioned.

After setting the stock to dry, the apprehension sets in. Nightmares of gluing your rifle to the stock will preclude a good night's sleep.

When it's time to remove the action, you'll shudder at the amount of force required to remove the action.

Then you'll look at your work, and a grin will come across your face, and all will be well.
 
The thought of extra release agent is good and bad. It's good because you'll be able to remove the action from the stock. It's bad because the thicker that coat, the worse the fit of the bare metal reciever to the stock. It's not much, but the goal is to make a perfect fit or as close to it as possible. On your first attempt, I'd lean towards too much rather than too little as it's easy enough to go back and do a very very light touch up coat but much harder to remove a glued in action.

Have an acetone or solvent ready and a TON of Q-Tips. If you did it right, the excess bedding will squeeze out a little. Q-tips with a little solvent will clean the the excess up well without making a mess of the stock.

Tape off all the areas of the stock you don't want bedding. It will squeeze out some so be prepared to clean it right after you tighten everything in while wet.

Look for any and all spots that overhang or excess could form into that would make removal tough, screw holes, pin holes, or even just an action that's a little too deep into the stock can all lead to the bedding arching past a neutral point and locking the action in place. Even if you don't think the bedding will get there, fill/plug any spots that possibly could cause issue. A few minutes first is worth a lot later.

When it's all done and dry, it's going to seem glued together. The action won't be free from the stock. It may take a bit of force too. I find a sharp palm whack on the end of the barrel often will "crack" the action free. It is often a loud pop that sounds like you broke it. But if you put a thin coat of release agent everywhere, it will come loose without an issue. The first time never feels comfortable though.

If the barrel channel on the stock is true, I like to wrap masking tape on the barrel to set my spacing. I'll wrap it more or less until the action sit's flush in the stock and the clearance is at least a business card thick. If you can't get the action to sit flush at that thickness, you need to remove wood from the barrel channel.

Also, don't be afraid to remove a little wood around the action screws. Having a bit thicker spot for the bedding compound to accumulate will lead to a stronger bedding. A skim coat, while looking good, has very little structural rigidity as the wood expands/compresses. Pillars are also a huge plus. At first I was overly worried that I bought the right size but if the are a little short bedding will fill in and make up for it.

The most important area is around the action screws. That's where the torque is applied and if that is solid, the rest falls into place. I'm not familiar with the 455 layout but if it only uses one action screw, I'd take a little extra wood out everywhere else and a little thicker coat of bedding. A single action screw can use all the help it can get. If it's multiple action screws, I'm really only interested in the area at the screws and middle area is mostly for appearance.

One final thought. Once you think you're ready, look it over again. Look over how everything fits, look over how everything is masked off, look over how the release agent is applied. That first time especially, it pays to measure twice and cut once.
 
Do I still just make sure I have 1/16" clearance around the whole barrel forward of the chamber?
Yes, maybe more at the fore end tip which bends the most 'cause stock material's the thinnest there.

Do the harmonics on long barrels necessitate other procedures?
No.

While pillar bedding's been popular for so long, in reality, it's no better than conventional bedding done the right way. The four people shooting high power rifle matches winning and setting records collectively more than any four others have conventional bedding in their rifles.
 
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