ATTN: Illinois Members Daley and Blagojevich to support a bill for a Gun Registry

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What the ????, Chicago already has gun registration.

Why does Daley want it statewide?

So that the rest of us can't own guns either. Daley blames the violence in the socialist workers paradise on the unfortunate fact that people outside of Chicago are allowed to own guns. Don't think for a minute that he would be satisfied with stealing away the rights of the rest of Illinois, once that is acomplished look for him to sue Wisconsin and Indiana to force them to tighten up their gun laws.


Jeff
 
I can go by party label because all the evidence supports that. The dem party is proud of being the anti-gun party. There are very few pro-gun legislators on the dem side just as there are a few anti's on the Republican side.
If the gun owners voted the dems out of office there wouldn't be any gun control.
 
shooter 2.5,
You can say that at the national level, but here in Illinois at the state and local level, there would be no RKBA if it wasn't for downstate Democrats. It's more then a few here. You have to look at the candidate, not the party. For the most part the Illinois republicans are only slightly less radical then Daley.

There is no viable RKBA party in this state.

Jeff
 
Jeff:

CCRA is going through the process of becoming a statewide organization to promote change. Within 2-5 years, CCRA is planning to run members as candidates in primary elections where Daley's minions are currently running opposed.

The point is not necessarily to win the elections, but to cost the machine so much time and money on a single issue, that they will relent and let CCW pass in order to get rid CCRA off their backs.
 
Kingcreek and I attended the Gun Owner Lobby Day in Springfield today. I would guess there were 75 or so people there. The ISRA had things pretty well organized. They had a couple fact sheets and lobby slips for everyone to drop off at their representative's office.

They started with a briefing from Richard Pearson. He gave background on the progun bills we wanted to support. They were SB 2163 which is FOID reform. It allows 18 year olds to get a FOID without parental consent. SB 2165 which is a bill to provide self defense as an affirmative defense if you possessed a firearm in violation of a local ordinance. This would strip the teeth from laws like Chicago, Willmette and Morton Grove. SB 2386 will extend liability protection to citizens if they are involved in a defensive shooting. If the shooting was legal and justified, the criminal would be unable to sue you civilly.

On the house side we are pushing HB 3989 which is the companion to the senate FOID reform bill. HB 4075 which is the companion to the affirmative defense bill and it passed today 86 to 25.

Todd Vandermyde who is the NRA/ISRA paid lobbyist spoke about how things work in the capitol. He names of Illinois service members who were serving in combat zones but were too young to have a FOID card in Illinois without parental consent. He said Senator Munoz had told him he probably couldn't come up with any. I had an inspiration whild driving home today and e-mailled Todd with the IL ARNG legislative liason's contact information. The 933d MP Company is close enough to Munoz's district that he probably has constituants in that situation. One of the sponsors of the bill is going to contact the guard and get the numbers of 18-21 years olds in the IL ARNG who are carrying weapons in defense of the country but can't sign their own FOID application. I'm sure that there are a few hundred just in the IL ARNG.

After Todd spoke we all started out visiting our representative's and senator's offices. We heven had calling cards to give to the doorman at the chambers to summon them off the floor to talk with us. I was unsuccessful in visiting wither one of my reps, but both are 100% on our side. (it's nice living in the southern part of the state, there a few antigunners from either party in office down here)

After making the rounds we returned to the cafeteria. I had a convertion with ISRA Executive Director Pearson about why the ISRA has never pushed for removal of the FOID card all together. I specifically mentioned the provision in the law for the ballot initiative to repeal it. I was a bit surprised at the answer I got. We have been able to avoid a lot of politically correct gun legislation because we already had the FOID in place. They even hand out a fact sheet using the anti's own words against them whenever things like gun show loophole and seconadry sales come up. THe ultimate goal is to make the FOID a CCW permit. If you look at it like that it makes perfect sense. As long as the state is already licensing gun owners, the license might as well extend to right to carry.

I left today with a better understanding of how things are working in the capitol and a little less frustration at ISRA. They aren't perfect, but then who is? Richard Pearson wrote the so called gunlock law we have. It's a feel good peice of legislation that is totally meaningless and toothless. It doesn't require you to lock your weapons up. It just requires you to tae reasonable precautions. While having no law would be better then the law we have we now have a law that is prettymuch a waste of the paper it took to publish it. And the thing is, we were going to get a gunlock law one way or the other. I know others take the purist approach. At heart I am a purist too. But sometimes you have to do damage contol.

All in all, I think that we're holding our own and even gaining some ground back. All while we have the most antigun administration to ever occupy statewide office in Illinois. Love them or hate them you have to give ISRA a little credit where it's due. At this time no antigun bills have made it out of comittee, but we have five progun bills moving. There is still the danger of the shell bills mentioned earlier in this thread.

It was great to meet Kingcreek today. He's the first instate THR member I've met although I do personally know many out of state members.

I think that if we can unite ISRA, CCRA and Illinois Concealed Carry into a coalition and support each other, we'll be a bigger force to be delt with. I left Springfield with a renewed hope of seeing CCW in the foreseeable future.

Jeff
 
Hey, I'll echo those comments.
My reps are also solidly on our side but it was nice to reinforce that with a friendly visit. I got to meet up with Sen. Risinger along with some other area shooters that were there at the same time. My 2 reps both know me from pretty regular contacts at various functions. Those little donations here and there buy you a some face-to-face and there is an eventual payback when the issues are near and dear to our cause.
Nice to meet Jeff and Jeff jr.- swell fellas
No reason why THR should be a "faceless name club"
I think some future political efforts, group shoots, or whatever could be fun and maybe even productive.
edited to add:
The division between the Chicago Democrats and most of the Downstate Democrats is big, and its a good thing for the rest of us. It costs nothing to keep in touch with your reps and keep them working FOR us.
 
I also attended, and had a good time, sorry I didn't meet either of you. When Tod Vandermyle got done speaking I was the bearded one who asked about John Jones and his CCW bill. It seems we are holding our own pretty well considering the current make up of our elected officils here in Ill. Jim.
 
Glad there was reason for optimism. Wish I'd just gone ahead and taken the day off. The student I stayed to help spent the entire day going ballistic anyway. Didn't do a bit of good.

A coalition of those groups would indeed be wonderful, but does anyone have any suggestions on how to make it happen?

Also, did Pearson give any specifics as to how the FOID is to be transformed into a CCW? That's a big leap for most people. Are there any intermediate steps? I can't think of any.

I guess I might as well be honest. I just don't trust him. Maybe that's wrong and I'm being unfair, but that's where I stand nonetheless.
 
The only way ISRA and CCRA could work together would be if ISRA took the first step at repairing the fractured relationship. ISRA expelled CCRA for being "too active" in representing gun owners (as if that's a bad thing). CCRA has written a couple of articles exposing ISRA'a payment of 98K to an anti-rights group to settle a lawsuit filed against it and Todd Vandermyde. ISRA responded to the article by threatening to sue CCRA for alleged defamation, but never followed up on that threat.

ISRA doesn't even link to CCRA or ConcealedCarry.org on its own web site, even though it does link to anti-rights groups.
 
44Brent,
The ISRA addresses that in the new edition of the Illinois Shooter. I haven't recieved mine in the mail yet, but I picked one up at Lobby Day.
I'm not ready to be a cheerleader for the ISRA but I am willing to hang around and see if maybe they weren't as bad as I thought. I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they know how things work in Springfield and are using the most productive methods. "Slash and burn" in-your-face politics feels good, but might not be the best way to get things done.
I dunno. If anybody has all the answers, feel free to enlighten me.
Don,
I know how you feel about R Pearson. I probably wouldn't buy a used car from the guy, but he seems maybe not entirely self-serving.
Todd Vandermyde's name came up in Sen Risinger's office in a very positive light. Were are probably lucky to have him in the fight.
 
About the CCW question: Tod said it wasn't included in the list of bills to support because it had allready died. He also commented something kind of vague as if it was being worked on in a behind the sciens sort of direction. Jim.
 
sctman800,
Sorry I didn't get to meet you. I'd have looked for you had I known you were going to be there.

44Brent,
I haven't looked at the new Illinois Shooter yet, but they did pass out CCRA's GunNews to everyone in attendance. Perhaps ISRA has realized they are going to have to be more then a shooting club in order to stay relevant. I do think that Illinois gunowners are better off united then divided. The old agage about the enemy of my enemy comes to mind.

I would be interested in hosting an Illinois THR shoot if enough members are interested.

All I know about Pearson is heresay. A lot of it hasn't been good. I do share Kingcreek's opinion of him though, he didn't seem self serving at all. I was impressed with Todd Vandermyde. He seems to have his act together.

BTW, it was a great day today, warm and rainy, but I spent it on the range, shooting the city's ammunition and teaching. :D

Jeff
 
Gee you forget to click on Legal and Political for a week or so and you really miss out. I wouldn’t have been able to make the trip regardless, but many thanks to those that did.

I’m curious how the Gov and Daley are going to try to spin this while taking credit for all the $$$ the new “Shooting Complex†in Sparta is supposed to generate. How may of those instate guys shooting multi-thousand dollar over and unders want their name, address, and telephone # made available to the public. What makes this even more interesting is the fact there are rumors floating around my neck of the woods that the new “Shooting Complex†is in the process of negotiating a deal with the SASS for an event similar, equal too, or better than their year end “End of Trail†event. If such an event takes place it has the potential to pump large $$$$ into an economically depress part of the state. I wonder how many of those instate CAS would like their info published?

On a more positive note, I’d be interested in a IL THR shoot.

Six
 
Chicago = Consistantly the murder capital of the U.S. Sure Mayor, your gun control works - not!

The only solution, my fellow downstate Illini, is to move out of state. Things will never change as long as Cook is a county in Illinois.

A pity as Illinois would be such a pleasant little Iowa without the hot air of the windy city.
 
Update:

Brad, don't move out of state yet. We seem to be gaining ground :D.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...ills+would+allow+18-year-olds+to+own+handguns
Bills would allow 18-year-olds to own handguns
By Brian Wallheimer
Post-Dispatch Springfield Bureau
03/26/2004


SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - Gun rights advocates say being old enough to serve in the military and vote means a person should be able to buy a gun without parental permission, but their opponents say lowering the age requirement poses safety concerns.

Two bills, one in the Illinois House and one in the Senate, passed last week would allow 18-year-olds to get a firearm owners identification card without parental consent. Current law says anyone under 21 must have a parent's permission to get a firearm owners ID card, or FOID.

Illinois law requires an ID card to own a gun. Anyone 18 or older can buy a rifle or shotgun, but residents must be 21 to buy a handgun. Buyers of both types of guns must go through a background check.

"If you could get married and you could go to Iraq, you should be able to get an FOID card without your mother's permission," said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association, an affiliate of the National Rifle Association.

Gun control supporters say lowering the age requirements would come with negative consequences.

"This is an age group, with all due respect, that's just not as responsible as later on in life," said Thomas Mannard, executive director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence. "The more available and accessible firearms are, the greater the rate of firearm injuries."

Mannard said his main concern was that gun owners don't have to go through any safety training before buying their weapons. He said allowing teens without safety training to own guns without parental knowledge would increase injuries and deaths from guns in that age group.

The law is the same in Missouri except that Missouri does not require ID cards.

State Rep. Ron Stephens, R-Mulberry Grove, said 18 year olds were old enough to make other important decisions and should be old enough to decide whether they should own a gun.

"They've been driving 3,000-pound cars down the interstate at 70 mph for two years, they just got done with paratrooper school at Fort Benning, they can make the most important decision in the world - choosing the president of the United States. It just doesn't make any sense," Stephens said.

State Rep. Wyvetter Younge, D-East St. Louis, said the military trains soldiers to use their weapons properly, something not all gun owners go through.

"Serving in the military is an entirely different matter than living in a community and trying to keep up the tranquility of that community," Younge said.

The measures have each passed in one house of the Legislature but would have to pass in the other before going to the governor. Rebecca Rausch, a spokeswoman for Blagojevich, said the governor had not taken a stand on the issue.

The bills are SB2163 and HB3989.
 
Conceal carry bill passed for retired cops

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0403270210mar27,1,1331132.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Gun curbs suffer setbacks
Downstate, suburban lawmakers outdueling Chicago on issue

By Ray Long and Molly Parker
Tribune staff reporters
Published March 27, 2004

SPRINGFIELD -- The Illinois Senate Friday approved legislation to allow retired police officers and former military police officers to carry concealed weapons, the latest example of a growing mood against gun control in the legislature despite the Democratic takeover of both chambers.

In addition to the concealed-carry measure, lawmakers in recent days have voted for bills that would lower the age to obtain a gun owner's permit without parental consent and allow a court to override enforcement of municipal handgun bans in cases where weapons are fired in self-defense.

The developments show the National Rifle Association and gun-rights advocates are making inroads around the edges of existing gun laws, critics of the legislation charge.

"I think what they're trying to do is erode what protections we have in place," said House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie (D-Chicago).

Rather than attacking the few broad restrictions on weapons sales that are in place, Currie said, gun-rights activists appear to be adopting a "strategy of eating away at the principle that guns are a public health menace" by trying to do away with less-sweeping limits.

But Todd Vandermyde, an NRA lobbyist, said the gun-rights group was simply reflecting the will of its members as it pressed for looser gun laws. "We have an obligation to respond to our membership, and our membership wants us to one, protect their rights, and two, fight for their rights," Vandermyde said.

The votes on the gun measures tend to break along regional lines, with Chicago lawmakers opposed to relaxing restrictions and Downstate and many suburban lawmakers largely backing the changes.

Gov. Rod Blagojevich aggressively pushed for tougher gun-control measures when he served as a member of the U.S. House. But that stance caused him problems with Downstate voters in the Democratic governor's primary in 2002, and his advocacy for gun control has been far more muted since he has taken office.

Still, he pledged in a January interview with the Tribune to renew his efforts this spring.

He has yet to push any gun-control legislation of his own, however, and has so far been silent about whether he would approve the relaxation measures if they land on his desk. Aides said he needs more time to review the bills, which have won approval in different forms in the House and Senate.

"The governor hasn't even had a chance to be briefed on these bills," said Cheryle Jackson, Blagojevich's spokeswoman. "The governor has a very strong record in the fight against gun violence, and I'm certain that, should these bills ever reach his desk, he'll act accordingly."

Governor urged to act

Currie urged Blagojevich to show more leadership in fighting measures that roll back gun controls.

The governor said in the January interview that he would enthusiastically support gun-control measures such as ones pushed by Mayor Richard Daley to ban assault weapons and restrict the number of handguns a person could legally buy to one a month.

Movement on major pieces of the Daley package has stalled, and to date Blagojevich has not overtly wielded his influence to push it forward.

Sen. Jeff Schoenberg (D-Evanston), a gun-control advocate, said politicians who have "traditionally stood for tougher gun-control measures, including the governor, need to rethink the existing strategies because the gains that we've made in the past are slipping away. Politically, we're overmatched.

"The NRA has been pumping iron and flexing all week, and we're getting sand kicked in our faces," Schoenberg said. "I don't think we can simply allow this to continue."

On Thursday, the NRA successfully pushed separate bills through the House and Senate that would lower to 18 from 21 the age at which a person may apply for a firearm owner's identification card without a parent's permission.

Vote backs self-defense

Also on Thursday, the Senate approved NRA-backed legislation inspired by a Wilmette man who shot an intruder in his home and then was charged with violating the village's handgun ban. The legislation, similar to a bill that the House has passed, would allow self-defense as a legal argument in such municipal cases.

The NRA took a neutral position on the concealed-carry bill that was passed Friday, not because it didn't like the idea but because the group didn't think the measure went far enough, Vandermyde said. The NRA believes all law-abiding citizens should be allowed to carry concealed weapons, he said.

The concealed-carry bill would authorize the Illinois State Police to issue concealed weapon permits to retired local, state and federal police officers as well as former members of the military police. To qualify for the permits, the retirees would also have to have at least 10 years' experience at their former law-enforcement positions as well as hold valid firearm-owner's cards, supporters said.

The legislation, if it were to become law, would also require that an applicant have graduated from a police academy or training institute.

The measure is sponsored by Sen. Ed Petka (R-Plainfield), a former Will County state's attorney. In debate Friday, he said retired police and MPs should be allowed to carry concealed weapons as a protection against retribution from someone they may have once confronted on the job.

"The individuals who would be asking for this permit are individuals who we've already given the honor and the trust in protecting us in society, not only domestically, but also perhaps foreign," Petka said.

The Senate this week did pass two minor pieces of Daley-backed gun legislation that would stiffen penalties against people who use guns to commit crimes. But more-controversial gun initiatives backed by the mayor are not moving.

Sen. Iris Martinez (D-Chicago), a gun-control advocate, warned that people are becoming too "laid back about violence."

But Rep. Mike Bost (R-Murphysboro) said Downstate residents grow up around guns and so have learned to deal with them responsibly.

"We don't have the fear of them," Bost said. "The only time someone in an inner city sees a gun, either a police officer is carrying it or it's being used in a crime."

The measure was passed 40-12, with most opposition coming from Chicago-area Democrats. One who backed the measure, however, was State Sen. Barack Obama (D-Chicago), the Democratic nominee for U.S. Senate.

Obama, a liberal who is trying to broaden his appeal to Downstate voters for the Senate race, said he voted for the bill because law-enforcement officers may be "more vulnerable and need protection" and because they're experienced and trained in handling firearms.

"I don't think anybody thought that this was going to be somehow opening the door to the Wild West," Obama said.
 
Got my first feedback from ISRA Lobby Day

Received this letter from State Senator John O Jones today:

April 5, 2004

Mr. Jeffrey L White, Sr.
XXXX XXXXXXX XX
Alma, IL 62807

Dear Jeffrey:

Thank you for your recent communication regarding SB2163, SB 2165 and SB2386.

As you can see by the enclosed "Roll Calls" I did support each of these bills when they came before the Illinois Senate for a vote.

Senate Bill 2163 passed the Illinois Senate with a vote of 30-26-0. Currently Senate Bill 2163 is in First Reading and has been assigned to the rules committee of the House of Representatives. Representatives Brandon Phelps and Careen Gordon have signed on as co-sponsors. At this point you will need to contact your State Representative and ask for their support.

Senate Bill 2165 passed the Illinois Sentate with a vote of 38-20-0. Senate Bill 2165 is on First Reading and is also in the Rules Committee of the House of Representatives and Representatives John Bradley, Careen Gordon and Ropbert Flider have signed on as sponsors.

Senate Bill 2386 passed the Illinois Senate unaimously with a vote of 56-0-0. Senate Bill 2386 is on First Reading in the House of Representatives and also assigned to the Rules Committee of the House of Representatives. Representatives Sidney Mathias, Paul Froehlich and Eddie Washington have signed on as sponsors.

At this point, you will need to contact your State Representative and ask for their support on these bills.

I appreciate your taking the time to let me know how you feel on these issues. Correspondence from my constituants is important and I appreciate you letting me know your thoughts.

Very Sincerely,

/S/
John O. Jones
Senator
54th District

My son also received the same letter with the attachments.

According to the IL Legislature's website, SB2165 which is the affirmative defense for possessing a firearm in violation of local ordinances has now been assigned to the House Judiciary II - Criminal Law subcommittee. That happened 30 March.

A look at these bills on the Illinois State Legislature's website will tell you some interesting things about gun control in Illinois. It's not a Democrat/republican issue here. The co-sponsors of SB2386 are in the Senate:
George Shadid (D), Vince Demuzio (D), William R. Haine (D), Edward Petka (R), Peter J. Roskam (R), Todd Sieben (R), Gary Forby (D), Christine Radogno (R), Kathleen L. Wojcik (R), John M. Sullivan (D), Dale E. Risinger (R), Bill Brady (R), Lawrence M. Walsh (D) and Barack Obama (D)

In the House:
Sidney H. Mathias (R), Paul D. Froehlich (R), Eddie Washington (D)

Even Obama who is running for the US Senate as a traditional liberal has signed on. Perhaps Obama who is facing a run for statewide office feels he has to distance himself from Chicago and Daley to have a chance downstate.

Jeff
 
Top answer lee n. field's question

Short of walling off Chicagometropolitanarea and declaring it a seperate country, what can we do?
Maybe bulldozing it into the Lake like Emperor DICK Daley II did with the Meigs Field runway......
 
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