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Audit: ATF lost 76 weapons, classified laptops

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by 30 cal slob, Sep 17, 2008.

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  1. 30 cal slob

    30 cal slob Member

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    bwahahahhahahahah.

    and they have the gall to bust our balls for sloppy record-keeping.

     
  2. Bubbles

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    I'm keeping a hard copy of this... just in case. :evil:
     
  3. Drgong

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    what, there paperwork wasn't in order?

    I know a few FFLs who will get a chuckle out of this.
     
  4. strat81

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    I know a few FFLs who would get furious over this.

    Who will police the police?
     
  5. romma

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    If I owned a gun shop, I would hang this article right next to where they audit the books...
     
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    Time to do to the "ATF" or whatever their initials are THIS week what they do to FFL's that have 'lost' a firearm...


    CLOSE THEM DOWN...PERMANANTLY


    So tell us, "Maximum Mike" Sullivan, just exactly how well YOUR organization performs on record keeping.

    Perhaps you should forfeit YOUR job.

    Anyone else remember the Leatherman tools with "Always Think Forfeiture" on them passed out to ATF agents?
     
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  8. Borch

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    It's not totally outside the realm of possibility that a weapon could be stolen in a car theft or a burglary but the fact that many were just plain lost or missing is disturbing to say the least.

    Only 2 were used in crimes where shots were fired. How many were used in crimes were there were no shots fired? Probably a hell of a lot more than 2.

    Just another in a long line of ATF SNAFU's. It certainly seems that this agency more than any of the other federal LEA's just can't get stuff done right.
     
  9. elChupacabra!

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    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
    Who watches the watchmen?
     
  10. eflatminor

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    Ever ask yourself why we have all these Federal agencies in the first place? Do we really need an ATF, an FDA, an FTA, etc? I say no, we don't. The power of the marketplace combined with the ability of an injured party to sue is all that is required to "regulate" industry. Or, we can continue to waste billions of tax dollars on these inefficient and ineffective bureaucracies.
     
  11. LaEscopeta

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    I usually don’t go for the BATFE bashing, but this recently closed thread:

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=393511

    … is funny and makes a good point.

    Google “Muckraker” or “The Jungle by Upton Sinclair” to see what the USA was like in the past, and the problems that led people to support the alphabet soup of Fed agencies we have now.
     
  12. Standing Wolf

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    See? That proves it! Only the police and military are qualified to have guns!
     
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    The NRA should hop on this like ugly on ape.

    "Time to reform the ATF! Look at how inadequate the enforcement is. How can we enforce the existing gun laws without an efficient agency?" Of course the NRA would be helping the gov rebuild the ATF along the way.

    Maybe in a weirder world we could have the ATF as a firearm owner friendly (read neutral) agency.

    Later,
    Chrome...
     
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    Hey, at least they could account for the explosives!
    time to shut down or redesign some of those bloated alphabet agencies.
     
  15. eflatminor

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    The alphabet soup of Federal agencies does a piss poor job of protecting citizens compared to what a free market, a free press, and a civil law system can do...and it cost taxpayers dearly. 'The Jungle' does not justify what we have now.

    Every ask yourself why we have a post office? Don't you think companies could deliver the mail? UPS and Fed Ex seem to manage. Why is there a FTA? Don't you think airline companies would work out flight paths and landing schedules to avoid their billion dollar planes crashing and the ensuing lawsuits? Name ONE Federal agency that performs it's function better than a free market. Just one.
     
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    I just think of Reds in Idaho and what they put him through and he wasn't even accused of losing guns. ATF by its own nit picking cross every T dot every I fill in every space no exceptions allowed should shut themselves down.
     
  17. kingjoey

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    This is what happens when you have a gov't agency that runs with no supervision or accountability. They will become progressively more hypocritical and they won't show any remorse about it. If an FFL did this they would get shut down, I think the same should be done to the ATF, or at least the officers involved. It smacks of 'gross negligence'.
     
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    "WASHINGTON - The ATF lost 76 weapons and hundreds of laptops over five years, the Justice Department reported Wednesday, blaming carelessness and sloppy record-keeping. "

    No agency, organization or individual "loses" anything, especially valuables such as guns and laptops due to "carelessness and sloppy record-keeping". Those items were taken - stolen - by ATF employees.

    And it's likey the supervisors know pretty well, if not exactly, who took them but are unwilling to hold the known thieves within their ranks accountable. After all, that sort of thing doesn't reflect well on the bosses and making waves is not a good career move within the government.
     
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    "WASHINGTON - The ATF lost 76 weapons and hundreds of laptops over five years, the Justice Department reported Wednesday, blaming carelessness and sloppy record-keeping. "

    No agency, organization or individual "loses" anything, especially valuables such as guns and laptops due to "carelessness and sloppy record-keeping". Those items were taken - stolen - by BATF employees. And it's unlikley the supervisors don't know pretty well, if not exactly, who took them but are unwilling to hold the known thieves within their ranks accountable. After all, that sort of thing doesn't reflect well on the bosses and making waves is not a good career move within the government.

    The bosses obviously feel that since it has been revealed, it's better now to take a little heat for sloppy-record keeping than for having knowingly protected in-house BATF batmen thieves.
     
  20. DoubleTapDrew

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    Who is going to raid the BATF, seize all their assets/firearms/computers, lay them out on the lawn and call the news reporters to come photograph their "haul", then drag them through court for a couple years?

    Government jobs and bureaus are never eliminated, just reassigned.
     
  21. eflatminor

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    Time that we the people demand they be eliminated, don't you think?
     
  22. Guns and more

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    Indeed. Then ask yourself how some ended up in crime scenes?
     
  23. dalepres

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    Seems to me that government officials should not be allowed to own, use, or otherwise possess guns.
     
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    Oh man, that's embarassing...
     
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    I think Cavalry Arms should bring that up next time they have to deal with the BATFE to get their inventory back. (Or have they already got it back?)
     
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