Australian Race Riots

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There were nazi gangs behind the riots. Apparently some local Australians of Lebanese descent had been getting "uppity." The rioters attacked bystanders, paramedics and police and anyone with dark skin or a heavy tan.

I don't care what the alleged provocation was--if I saw this I'd kill them all. And the police certainly should have stepped in to stop it. If you join in something like this you deserve to come to a quiet meeting with me and my best axe deep in the spruce woods. I hate nazi pukes.

But beyond these issues, it is a good example of how a nanny state views its role. The police backed out and let the mob have its way rather than risk injuring any rioting scumbags. Nevermind the fact that a beer bottle is a lethal weapon and they were trying pretty hard to beat people to death.

It also highlights some of the very serious problems with the Australian approach to immigration, one which follows a pattern where immigrants from all over the world hold on to their prior connections much more strongly than to an "Australian" identity. Dutch and German immigrants still tend to stick together, for example, generations after their counterparts in the US (myself included) have discarded any serious connections with Euroland. So basically Australia as it stands today isn't so much a nation as a collection of loosely allied ethnic groups clustering on the shores of what remains a foreign land. That's a real recipe for disaster.
 
It also highlights some of the very serious problems with the Australian approach to immigration, one which follows a pattern where immigrants from all over the world hold on to their prior connections much more strongly than to an "Australian" identity. Dutch and German immigrants still tend to stick together, for example, generations after their counterparts in the US (myself included) have discarded any serious connections with Euroland. So basically Australia as it stands today isn't so much a nation as a collection of loosely allied ethnic groups clustering on the shores of what remains a foreign land. That's a real recipe for disaster.
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You suggest this is an Australian issue. I don't think so. I think you are seeing the same basic pattern in many places. It's spawned by governments with irresponsible and promiscuous immigration polcies, whether by commission or omission, and the ongoing leftist war against the dread spectre of Assimilation.
 
Further background: Attack on lifeguards last weekend.

THE mother of one of three volunteer surf lifesavers bashed on Sunday afternoon by a gang that claimed ownership of North Cronulla Beach says she fears for the safety of her 20-year-old son.

"He had just finished a double four-hour patrol in front of North Cronulla Surf Club with his 19-year-old friend, and they were walking off the beach to sign off and come home when it happened," the mother, who wished to be known only as Donna, said yesterday.

"My son said there were four young Middle Eastern men. One of them said to his [19-year-old] friend: 'Get off our beach'. They said: 'We are here to protect you, to save you from drowning', then my son's friend got hit."

Within a minute, Donna said, both young men were being punched by up to 16 men, who attacked a third member of the club, aged 15, who tried to stop the fight. The melee left all three with bruising to their faces and the 19-year-old with stitches to his head after he was "king hit" from behind and knocked out.
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Source: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...ach-gang-attack/2005/12/05/1133631203212.html

Good points on immigration and assimilation Cosmoline & longeyes.
 
Tim Allen from a lift and attacked him. Allen told them he was a police officer. Maitua responded by laughing and kicking him in the face while he was on the ground, breaking Allen's nose. Maitua was later arrested and fined $2000. He served no time for the incident.
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This could be one contributing factor to the whole mess
Don't know about where you're from but in Fla you'd get more than a slap on the wrist for assaulting a cop.

I did time for telling one to shut up to forcefully
 
The story I read on this http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17531782-2,00.html talked of multiple actual arrests and that some victims had run into certain pubs which were then guarded by police during the worst of it.

Definitely spun it as an unjust racial attack on the Lebanese. There are links to other stories at teh bottom of the page. All pretty much playing up the racism issue and only mentioning the alleged provocations in passing.
 
...Australia, the same place where they bother to arrange thousands of flowers in respect of Judaisim and all it has suffered, but choose to arrange them in Swastikas, by accident.

Don't matter the race or creed, if you see someone being attacked you ought to help them. If it turns out they deserved to be beaten, then let the courts handle it.
 
Australia Herald-Sun
Nation's day of shame
Kara Lawrence and Luke McIlveen
12dec05

ANGRY crowds singled out and bashed people of Middle Eastern appearance at one of Australia's iconic beaches as racial tensions boiled over into mob violence.
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Police were powerless to quell the violence, resorting to batons and capsicum spray to rescue people fleeing packs of attackers.

An ambulance called to the scene to treat five bashing victims was pelted with beer bottles and rocks, smashing its windows.

Several men of Middle Eastern appearance were bashed and left bleeding. One was trapped against the back of a ute and punched repeatedly by several thugs before a police officer stepped in.

Two Middle Eastern girls were also pushed to the ground -- this time by a group of teenage girls -- and pelted with beer bottles as police tried to rescue them.

At least 5000 people converged on Sydney's Cronulla beach yesterday, after simmering anger between beach regulars flared last week.

As the crowd surged along the beach, one man on the back of a ute began to shout "No more Lebs" -- a chant picked up by the group around him.

Others in the crowd, carrying Australian flags and dressed in Australian shirts, yelled "Aussie, Aussie, Aussie . . . Oi, Oi, Oi".

Authorities had expected trouble after two violent incidents last week -- an attack on two lifeguards and a brawl in which youths turned on media.

A series of text messages then began circulating, encouraging two rival groups to attack each other.

One urged "Aussies" to take revenge against "Lebs and wogs"; another urged locals to rally at a point on the beach yesterday to retaliate against "Middle Eastern" gangs.

Roads were closed as the mobs seized control; mounted police struggled to hold their lines, and a police chopper hovered over the beach.

Many bars and shops along the beach shut down. Others stationed bouncers at the door, blocking anyone from going inside.

Police were forced to rush to Cronulla train station when a mob ran there from the beach after receiving a mobile phone text message saying a group of Lebanese people were trying to leave.

The text message was wrong, but it ignited a wild brawl at the station between the crowd and police officers.

Last night, 12 people -- aged between 16 and 33 -- had been arrested and charged.

Locals had called yesterday a day of pride, but it will go down as a day of national disgrace.

"I'm an Australian -- I was born here," a Middle Eastern youth told locals who had taunted him with chants of "Kill Lebs".

Minutes later, he was punched to the ground and kicked, before being led to safety by police, covered in blood.

The day began as a show of solidarity as thousands of locals draped themselves in the Australian flag and called for peace in their suburb.

Up to 150 police, including the dog squad and the police helicopter, were positioned beachside to cope with the crowd.

But as the beer flowed during the afternoon, the huge crowd became violent, roaming the streets in search of targets for their anger.

Few Middle Eastern youths came to Cronulla, but those who did quickly became victims of mob violence.

The crowd swarmed between the beach and the main street.

Police reacted only to rescue the victims of the bashings, rushing them to safety through the front entrance of a local club.

"What the Lebs did last week was low and it's time we showed a bit of pride towards where we live," said Luke O'Brien, a local volunteer lifesaver.

Another local, Peter, said that the huge show of force yesterday had been "coming for five or six years".

By late afternoon, the baying crowd, many of them drunk, began to turn on riot squad police and emergency services.

NSW Police Assistant Commissioner Mark Goodwin -- himself a Cronulla local -- branded the day's events as "nothing short of disgusting, and disgraceful".

"What has been occurring on some fronts is that people of Middle Eastern backgrounds that have been seen in the Cronulla area -- a swarm of the crowd has approached these people with vile abuse, in the most un-Australian way," he said.
 
longeyes said:
You mean you believe Lebanese gangs aren't "Nazis?"

A thug is a thug is a thug.
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The mob was beating up anyone who even "looked middle-eastern". Including females. This had nothing to do with the gangs, it was just out-and-out inexcusable mob rule.
 
I'd very much like to know where all this is coming from; people don't just spontaniously attack a certain group of people for no reason. I know that there is tension between the Anglos and the Aboriginees, and I know why, and I also know about the tension between the Anglos and the Indonesions, is this perhaps a anti-Muslim carryover?

Are they lumping the Lebanese in the with other Muslims they don't like?
 
If I'm reading the stories right, SOME of the younger Lebanese have formed gangs and claimed ownership of certain beaches.

Which isn't that indicting since the white/Pacific Islanders always have as well.

The issue is that apparently the "Leb" gangs are severely harassing women, driving anyone "not them" off the beachs at will and beating up lifeguards, which the (self-proclaimed) REAL Australian beach gangs are apparently not, at least not anyone but Middle Eastern appearing bathers, and maybe not even the peaceable ones (in the past at least, it's hard to tell from the reports).

Contributing is the apparent fact that, much like in Europe right now, the ME gangs are having a bit of a crime spree, especially involving attacks on and rapes of women.

Doesn't seem religious at all, just ethnic at this point, toss the sexual attack element into the mix and you've got a powder keg.
 
Are they lumping the Lebanese in the with other Muslims they don't like?
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No, they're lumping them in with anyone who isn't a white english speaker. Australia has one of the most serious problems with racism I've seen in any developed, english-speaking country.

Manedwolf has it...it's about beating up on people who aren't white. Racism is a problem that pervades every level of the country...

but besides that it's really nice and I love it :). Seriously.

It's spawned by governments with irresponsible and promiscuous immigration polcies, whether by commission or omission
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Australia has severe immigration laws, and they are enforced.
 
Aussir riots

Very bad news- but the trouble came from both sides.young males trying to start a bloody riot and succeeding. young men wrapping themselves in the flag considerable amount of alcohol very hot day and it ended up in a very bad situation.BUT I seem to have seen something like this on TV after some American football matches. bad news wherever and whenever it occurs.Stupidity seems to be universal i'm afraid
 
From within the beast(s) - I'd say...

"It also highlights some of the very serious problems with the Australian approach to immigration, one which follows a pattern where immigrants from all over the world hold on to their prior connections much more strongly than to an "Australian" identity. Dutch and German immigrants still tend to stick together, for example, generations after their counterparts in the US (myself included) have discarded any serious connections with Euroland. So basically Australia as it stands today isn't so much a nation as a collection of loosely allied ethnic groups clustering on the shores of what remains a foreign land. That's a real recipe for disaster."
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YUP!

Many "New Australians" are certainly not integrating to the extent that those of a half century ago did.

"Multiculturalism" is the order of the day, and has been since Gough Whitlam's time.


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"You suggest this is an Australian issue. I don't think so. I think you are seeing the same basic pattern in many places. It's spawned by governments with irresponsible and promiscuous immigration polcies, whether by commission or omission, and the ongoing leftist war against the dread spectre of Assimilation"
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YUP!
Much the same sort of thing is also happening in New Zealand - another nation with a
similar government mandated "multicultural" policy.

In both Australia and New Zealand, the concept of assimilation is held by the left as being "anti-multicultural" and detrimental to the 'ultimate good'.
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For what it's worth, many of the urban gangs in the Sydney area are composed exclusively of youth of Lebanese ethnicity. Some of these gangs have been committing anti-social acts, in some cases sexual assaults, which has focused public attention upon them.

In no way does anything above justify assault upon members of the public having a 'day at the beach'.

It does suggest that perhaps policy encouraging assimilation as opposed to multiculturalism could result in less public unrest.
 
I would like to know how, exactly, assilimilation into a culture is a BAD thing.
America is what it is because of that, because of the old "melting pot" concept. Everything from customs to cusine to language being ADDED to the culture by groups that came in and declared themselves Americans, and adapted to the new land they were in.

Even music. Country music is a direct descendant of Irish fiddling and songs, the popular use of heavy-percussion drums in music came from Africa through the islands. It all added in.

If you have no assimiilation and pure multiculturalism, all you have is a bunch of isolated, hostile mini-countries, not a nation.
 
And, Manedwolf, that was precisely my point: assimilation is a good thing, though currently seemingly out of favor among our elites and those of other nations.

Australia may have a strong immigration policy that they rigorously enforce--but perhaps it's the wrong immigration policy.

Racism? Sure. On both sides, no doubt. Like everywhere else.
 
Manedwolf said:
If you have no assimiilation and pure multiculturalism, all you have is a bunch of isolated, hostile mini-countries, not a nation.
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+1

These events are yet another example of how leftist myopic policies wreak havoc in the real world.

The discussion also highlights more evidence to my evolving theory that leftism is a form of perceptional/cognitive disorder.

In the mind of a leftist, the following dyslexia is observed:

1) "assimilation" = evil cultural oppression and imperialism resulting in loss of cultural treasure
2) "multicuturalism" = peaceful coexistence of integrated cultures

What the control group would say is:
1) assimilation = integration of one culture into a host, resulting in continued predominance of the host values, with added elements of the adopted
2) multiculturalism = tribalism badly veiled in non-existent shared values, in essence a rule by written laws without morality or common sense

This disorder is dyslexic in the sense that what the leftists want to accomplish under the banner of "multiculturalism" is in fact assimilation, but their methods result in multiculturalism instead.
 
The thing is, here we've got a situation where racism prevents assimilation.

I know an Australian born to indian parents...doesn't really speak any Indian language, doesn't consider himself anything other than Australian, but gets called a "paki" or "the immigrant" everywhere he goes, sometimes at work.

Sometimes, the reason people don't assimilate is because the folks who are of one color don't want folks of another color messing up their blue-eyed image of a nation.
 
I don't think many people have a clue what they're talking about. Politicians on both sides, and prominent ones of both genders are well known for their remarks on this issue. Even a cursory search will show that your pre-fabricated arguments are applicable to where you live, not where they live.

I'm not saying you're wrong. But the arguments you use are rather inapplicable.

Furthermore, you have to decipher which party stand for what ideals, and whether they have a habit of following them. Hint - the names don't always tell the tale.
 
Cosmoline said:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/race-riots-spread-to-suburbs/2005/12/11/1134235951313.html

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Absolutely amazing. Romper Stomper come to life, and the Aussie Cops--the same jackboots who proudly DISARMED the citizens--are letting it happen rather than risk their hides.
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Typical THR bashing. I read those news stories, and it seems the police there are doing what they can. And if you look real close at the pic YOU posted Cosmo, you can see an Aussie Cop trying to intervene.

They are trying to disperse the rioters with OC and batons. If they used water cannons or harsher tactics, you'd be here bitching about them being thugs. Can't win with some people. :banghead: :barf:
 
shootinstudent said:
Sometimes, the reason people don't assimilate is because the folks who are of one color don't want folks of another color messing up their blue-eyed image of a nation.
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That may very well be.

But the other side of the coin is that if enough voters feel this way, then it is their right to steer their country in that direction. What is not right is when a PC leftist minority dictate policy to the majority by media and judicial legislation, perform social experiments, and play with social engineering while drowning any opposition by liberally dousing it with name-calling and associations with as negative imagery as possible.

It is best for a society to have an honest open discussion on these issues and decide them peacefully, thereby creating policy. But, in the real world, there are way too many crappers wringing the system to their own advantage and building stresses in the structure, stresses that are bound to spring cracks and ultimate demolition.
 
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