Australian Race Riots

[hksw]

Australian Race Riots

Whoa, hold on there. Didn't you get the memo? If the riots did not occur in the US, they are NOT race riots. They are not even riots. They are just "little social unrests".

 

[longeyes]

Australia offers no national identity that newcomers can adopt. Could I move there and become Australian? Not really. I'd always be an American.

Tell that to Mel Gibson.

 

[gc70]

shootinstudent, I am disappointed. In other threads, I have often marvelled at your advocacy of a balanced, informed approach toward topics about differences between cultural and religious groups. In this thread, you appear to be blind to anything other than condemnation of whites.

Based on the links provided in this thread and a quick Google search, thuggery and provocations by brown-skinned people have been a long-standing issue in Sydney. While that does not excuse the white-skinned thuggery of the recent riot, it does show that there is plenty of blame to spread around between the groups involved.

 

[shootinstudent]

In this thread, you appear to be blind to anything other than condemnation of whites.

gc, I can see how you would think that and want to make my comments clear: this is not a condemnation of white people or white culture or anything of the sort. That would make me the same as the neo-nazi rioters. I was trying to identify, based on my experience with Australia, a major source of this problem, which is...there are some whites in australia who believe that only whites should be there and that people who are not white are worthless.

On the other hand, the lebanese and turks who cause problems tend to be plain jane criminals who don't honestly care about anything. It is just as wrong and criminal when those groups hurt people.

This is not about white bashing or saying that white people everywhere are responsible for this...I just want to locate the source of the problem in Sydney where I think it lies: white supremacist thinking.

 

[R.H. Lee]

there are some whites in australia who believe that only whites should be there and that people who are not white are worthless.

Are there non-whites (NW) or other than whites (OTW) who believe that only NW or OTW should be there and that people who are white are worthless?

The lebanese and turks, on the other hand, who cause problems tend to be plain jane criminals who don't honestly care about anything.

This is not about white bashing or saying that white people everywhere are responsible for this...I just want to locate the source of the problem in Sydney where I think it lies: white supremacist thinking.

Are only whites capable of racism in your little sheltered one dimensional world?

 

[longeyes]

This is not about white bashing or saying that white people everywhere are responsible for this...I just want to locate the source of the problem in Sydney where I think it lies: white supremacist thinking.

And what kind of thinking is it that makes young punks gang-rape women they deem "loose" and available? You refuse to address the specific cultural roots of this behavior. White supremacists turn non-whites into "things." Sex-mad religionists turn women, especially "available" white women, into things. Ignorance and hate beget ignorance and hate.

 

[gc70]

I just want to locate the source of the problem in Sydney where I think it lies: white supremacist thinking.

Herein lies my lack of understanding. I see an inappropriate White response to earlier inappropriate Brown action. Do you believe that the earlier inappropriate Brown action was in response to white supremacist thinking? Or do you believe that white supremacist thinking was the only way to arrive at White indignation toward earlier inappropriate Brown action?

 

[shootinstudent]

I see an inappropriate White response to earlier inappropriate Brown action. Do you believe that the earlier inappropriate Brown action was in response to white supremacist thinking?

Hard to say...probably not. Minority group gangs commit crimes all the time unrelated to race. It looks from the articles to have been senseless crime, although it's possible it was racially motivated in some way.


I don't think it's ever appropriate to respond based on race to a crime or incident...yet that's exactly what these folks are doing. It's a bad mentality, and I do believe it does tend to foster and encourage reverse racism on the part of the minorities, making things even worse.

 

[gc70]

I don't think it's ever appropriate to respond based on race to a crime or incident

Philosopically, I would like to agree; unfortunately, it is not always possible to divorce the criminal from the cause of the crime.

First, I am not tremendously well-informed about race/ethnic relations in Australia. However, as a general proposition, if a sequence of crimes or incidents of a particular character are attributible to members of a specific group, it seems reasonable to question why.

So, why are Lebanese gangs a problem in Sydney. And are the Lebanese gangs acting in a consistently racially/ethnically-oriented way that would cause their misbehavior to be construed as group behavior rather than individual behavior?

 

[Art Eatman]

From shootingstudent's post #83: "Minority group gangs commit crimes all the time unrelated to race."

And then they also do crimes related to race. I think we have two threads running right now about some guy named "Tookie"? Who said he shot the guy because he was white?

The whole bleepin' world's gone nuts.

, Art

 

[Cosmoline]

Tell that to Mel Gibson.

Mel Gibson has ALWAYS been American, as he will tell you. He's actually an excellent example of what I'm talking about. He was born here, but grew up in Australia. He had an accent so thick he had to be dubbed in "Mad Max"! But he never thought of himself as Australian. Imagine if Bob Hope, born in the UK, had insisted he was British in spite of his American background and American career. It would have been absurd. But because there's really no such thing as "an Australian," Gibson's position makes perfect sense.

 

[shootinstudent]

And then they also do crimes related to race. I think we have two threads running right now about some guy named "Tookie"? Who said he shot the guy because he was white?

The whole bleepin' world's gone nuts.

True, definitely true...and I'm sure it happens in Australia too, and after these riots, it will probably happen more as the idiots from other races begin to behave just like the white idiots who are doing this right now. It's a real disgrace.

So, why are Lebanese gangs a problem in Sydney. And are the Lebanese gangs acting in a consistently racially/ethnically-oriented way that would cause their misbehavior to be construed as group behavior rather than individual behavior?

I think the lebanese gangs are a problem because, as with poor white gangs, they grow up together, don't go to school together, do drugs to gether...and end up being a gang of crooks from their mostly lebanese or turkish neighborhood, just like the neo-nazis from the mostly white neighborhoods. I'm not aware of any "expel the whites!" movements with these types.

I don't think for these rioters it's about one group, because it's not just lebanese who end up being targets...I am 100 percent certain that some hapless indians and turks are getting beaten right now too. If some crime gets committed by people who don't have white skin, everybody without white skin gets blamed for it by the crooks who are doing this rioting. Just like everyone who is brown is a "paki" or "immigrant", no matter who native his accent, to these people.

 

[Art Eatman]

Reading back through this thread, it occurs to me that news sources show that the original thread-title was incorrect. Since the subject, otherwise, has zilch to do with THR, we don't need to waste anymore bandwidth on it.

Nighty-bye...

Art