Australian Race Riots

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shootinstudent said:
The thing is, here we've got a situation where racism prevents assimilation.

I know an Australian born to indian parents...doesn't really speak any Indian language, doesn't consider himself anything other than Australian, but gets called a "paki" or "the immigrant" everywhere he goes, sometimes at work.

Sometimes, the reason people don't assimilate is because the folks who are of one color don't want folks of another color messing up their blue-eyed image of a nation.

I think that's more-or-less correct, but I'd change "don't" to "can't easily" and moderate the negativity (and implicit charge of active racism) by pointing out that "otherness" can be removed by the immigrant adopting the speech, style and actions of the host country (that's what assimilation means) but they can't change color. For color to become less of an "other" factor takes, as American history shows, quite some time and is a familiarization process. I'm not sure Australia has had the length and type of history necessary to shortcut that familiarizing. If America has (and of all the choices I think we are the only real example), we are still, at best, "in process".

When you throw in the recent PC idea that "assimilation" is not necessary or is even an imposition on the immigrant, the immigrant can then, by deliberate choice, ADD to their problem by trying to remain "otherly" (or overreacting in their response to "other" treatment (gang formation, etc.) ) rather than actively trying to blend.

People are just people, asking them to immediately embrace "otherness" wholeheartedly, especially when color AND cultural differences combine, isn't realistic. Asking them to not behave in an actual criminal manner is not. Criminal racists need their heads handed to them, people who just flat don't like "others" should be pitied and ignored (or educated).
 
kuroineko said:
Typical THR bashing. I read those news stories, and it seems the police there are doing what they can. And if you look real close at the pic YOU posted Cosmo, you can see an Aussie Cop trying to intervene.

They are trying to disperse the rioters with OC and batons. If they used water cannons or harsher tactics, you'd be here bitching about them being thugs. Can't win with some people. :banghead: :barf:

A beer bottle to the head is a LETHAL WEAPON. The police should have intervened with lethal force, not some idiotic attempt to reach in with pepper spray. And since they have DISARMED everyone else, yes they bear sole responsibility for ending the riots. If they didn't want that responsibility they should have refused to enforce the anti-gun laws. As it stands now they are reaping what they sewed.
 
Somebody somewhere on one of the two forums posed the question
What if the white rioted over a percieved injustice ?

Now we know
The media will assign the racist attitude to the white crowd and not the the people who chose women to gang rape based on their complexion.

When riots were started over the courts failure to prosecute cops for beating a black man the media stopped just short of justifying it.

When whites riot over the courts failing to prosecute hate crimes against them they are demonized.

Both groups, in the above examples, were simple thugs using a convenient excuse to cause mayhem.
Firing indiscriminately into the crowd ,Tiananmen style, would not necessarily have been a bad tactic in this case
 
Say, Joe.....

"I don't think many people have a clue what they're talking about. Politicians on both sides, and prominent ones of both genders are well known for their remarks on this issue. Even a cursory search will show that your pre-fabricated arguments are applicable to where you live, not where they live.

I'm not saying you're wrong. But the arguments you use are rather inapplicable.

Furthermore, you have to decipher which party stand for what ideals, and whether they have a habit of following them. Hint - the names don't always tell the tale."
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What are you saying here?:confused:

Seriously, are you suggesting that Whitlam's government was not the instigator of "multiculturalism" for Australia?

Or that 'Hulunh' Clark's N.Z. government is not up to it's fetlocks in "multiculturalism" mandates?
 
Firing indiscriminately into the crowd ,Tiananmen style, would not necessarily have been a bad tactic in this case

Yup. Besides, killing the pukes who are beating a defenseless man with beer bottles, assaulting paramedics and refusing to stop is not "firing indiscriminately into the crowd." But for whatever reason the aussie cops were unwilling or unable to actually stop the riots. They behaved like Frenchmen.
 
Kill Them All?

The title to this thread is totally misleading, newsflash cosmo but the Lebonese are not a separate race and I'll be danged if I can locate one of Hitlers minions in your picture?
Personally I've seen bigger fights over Spenard way and in Mountain View and out back of the Fireweed Theatre!
White on white, black on black or multicultural bashes are in mans nature didn't you know that?
Using your loosely woven arguements the Iraqis might as well call our troops nazis whatever the blank that is!
IMHO (and in Googles) nazis come in all flavors even jewish......look it up:)
 
Decades of socialist/left wing policies and social engineering.
A police force unable and unwilling to serve the populance as it should.
A laughable western justice system.
Ethnic gangs who cause trouble for all Australians, their kin included.
Media outlets who cream their pants at the oppurtunity to sensationalise events.
A public unable to comprehend how fragile civil society is.

Damn, it's all so amusing. :evil:
 
It's all because of the beer.

Hot sun, sweaty people, ice cold brewskis... Recipe for disaster. I know, I know, I've heard it all before. "I'm the only Ozzie on this beach qualified enough to handle this Lager..."



Just kidding...
 
Parlez-vous FRANCAIS, Australia?

And (gasp) gunshots heard...you mean taking the guns away from the law-abiding citizens DID NOT take them out of the hands of criminals? How startling! And shopowners unarmed = smashed shops while rioters holler, smash and punch their way on.


Second night of violence in Sydney

CNN.com

SYDNEY, Australia (AP) -- Youths riding around in vehicles bashed cars and smashed store windows in suburban Sydney late Monday, police said, as violence continued for a second night in a row.

A police spokesman said the rampage broke out in Cronulla, the same beach-side suburb where a night of race riots resulted in scores of arrests Sunday, and in neighboring Caringbah.

"We have shops damaged at Caringbah, cars damaged at Cronulla," according to Paul Bugden, spokesman for New South Wales police. "We have six arrests at this stage."

One person was apparently hit with a rock outside the Cronulla police station, he added, saying that youths riding around in cars were involved in the violence.

The Australian Associated Press reported that gunshots were heard near Cronulla beach, but police could not confirm the report.

Bugden said he did not have descriptions of those involved in Monday night's rampage.

Australian Associated Press, citing a resident who declined to be named, said men riding in up to 50 cars and wielding baseball bats converged on Cronulla, smashing cars. Ambulances were called to help at least one injured man seen lying on the side of the road.

Earlier Monday, Prime Minister John Howard condemned the previous night of riots but said he does not believe Australian society has an undercurrent of racism.

Howard was speaking as police formed a strike force to track down the instigators of the running battles that involved drunken mobs of white men yelling racial slurs, young men of Arab descent and hundreds of police.

The earlier fighting left 31 people injured, including police and paramedics. One was hospitalized after being stabbed in the back by a man police said was Arab in appearance. There were 16 arrests.

"What we have seen yesterday is something I thought I would never see in Australia and perhaps we have not seen in Australia in any of our life times and that is a mass call to violence based on race," Community Relations Commission Chairman Stepan Kerkyasharian told Sky News.

Police chief Ken Moroney called the rioting among "the worst violence that I have ever seen in my policing service of 40 years."

Local media reported that mobile phone text messages were circulating calling for more violence next weekend.

Several hundred people of Arab descent gathered later in the evening outside one of Sydney's largest mosques to chant, according to reporters at the scene.

Police spokesman Paul Bugden said about 300 people remained at the mosque at 9:30 p.m. and were being watched by "sufficient police to prevent a breach of the peace."

The prime minister condemned the rioting, saying most Australians are not racist.

"Attacking people on the basis of their race, their appearance, their ethnicity, is totally unacceptable and should be repudiated by all Australians irrespective of their own background and their politics," Howard said.

"But I'm not going to put a general tag (of) racism on the Australian community," he said. "I do not accept that there is underlying racism in this country."

New South Wales state political leader Morris Iemma said police would hunt down the instigators of the violence, which authorities said was fanned by neo-Nazis.

"There appears to be an element of white supremacists and they really have no place in mainstream Australian society," Police Minister Carl Scully said. "Those sort of characters belong in Berlin (in the) 1930s."

Rioting erupted Sunday after thousands of drunken white youths attacked police and people of Middle Eastern appearance at Cronulla beach in southern Sydney. It spread later with retaliatory attacks by groups of youths of Arab appearance who stabbed one man and smashed dozens of cars.

The violence shocked the city of 4 million which prides itself on being a largely harmonious cultural melting pot.

Sydney's Daily Telegraph's front page headline, over a picture of white youths attacking a man of Arab appearance on a train, read: "Our disgrace."

Keysar Trad, a prominent member of Sydney's Lebanese community, said he had spoken to one man released from a hospital Monday after being beaten by white thugs, who was urging calm in the days ahead.

"He doesn't want any retaliation by anybody from a Middle Eastern background," Trad said. "He doesn't want anybody to succumb to provocation. He wants everyone to allow the rule of law to take its course, leave it to the police and he said he holds no grudges against anyone."

Iemma called together senior Muslims and community leaders from the suburbs hit by rioting in a bid to ease tensions and prevent a recurrence of the violence.

One government lawmaker, Bruce Baird, said anti-Muslim resentment that has risen since the September 11, 2001, attacks in the United States and the 2002 Bali bombings in Indonesia that killed 88 Australians also played a role.

Local residents say there have been frequent minor racially charged confrontations on Cronulla beach, but never anything close to the scale of Sunday's unrest.

Cronulla is easily accessible by train and often is visited by youngsters -- many of Middle Eastern ethnicity -- from the poorer suburbs of western and southern Sydney.

Residents accuse the visitors of traveling in gangs, being disrespectful and sometimes intimidating other beach-goers. That escalated when two men of Arab appearance attacked two volunteer lifeguards a week ago, sparking a flurry of mobile phone text messages calling for retaliation.
 
Photo of Oz Neo-nazis

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Second night of violence in Sydney[/B]
CNN.com

SYDNEY, Australia (AP) --
"There appears to be an element of white supremacists and they really have no place in mainstream Australian society," Police Minister Carl Scully said. "Those sort of characters belong in Berlin (in the) 1930s."

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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17536340-2,00.html?from=rss

Neo-Nazi group joins the fray
From: By Viva Goldner and Joe Hildebrand
December 12, 2005



YOUNG neo-Nazis yesterday infiltrated the riots at North Cronulla, promoting their white supremacist cause.

One young woman was seen proudly holding up a poster that read: "Aussies fighting back!"
It advertised a group called the Patriotic Youth League.


Founded by former Newcastle student and One Nation activist Stuart McBeth in 2002, the league describes itself as a "radical nationalist" group. It is widely considered to be a neo-Nazi organisation.

It has links to the German-based skinhead group Volksfront as well as the like-minded British Nationalist Party and the New Zealand National Front.

The league has campaigned for the deportation of immigrants and keeping foreign students out of universities.

League spokesman Luke Connors said he had been forbidden to comment on the Cronulla riots or the events leading up to them.
"I've been given instructions not to say anything," Mr Connors said.

How long until we hear of the overrun of "Safe Area Cronulla?":uhoh:
 
The socialists won't be happy until they spawn full-blown racial conflict. They do that wherever they emerge. Gives them a good reason to come down hard with the iron fist and impose their desired autocratic "utopia."

They talk about "white racism" and skinheads and neo-Nazis. The mirror-image of that is the forcible importation of different cultures that refuse to assimilate. WHAT DO THEY EXPECT BUT A REACTION WHEN THEY PUSH FRAGMENTATION THAT WAS NEVER THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE? How hospitable are these new imports, back in their own world, to "strangers?"

I'm frankly surprised it's taken this long. All I see is elitist regimes turning on their own to advance more insidious agendas. Disgusting.
 
longeyes said:
The socialists won't be happy until they spawn full-blown racial conflict. They do that wherever they emerge. Gives them a good reason to come down hard with the iron fist and impose their desired autocratic "utopia."

They talk about "white racism" and skinheads and neo-Nazis. The mirror-image of that is the forcible importation of different cultures that refuse to assimilate. WHAT DO THEY EXPECT BUT A REACTION WHEN THEY PUSH FRAGMENTATION THAT WAS NEVER THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE? How hospitable are these new imports, back in their own world, to "strangers?"

I'm frankly surprised it's taken this long. All I see is elitist regimes turning on their own to advance more insidious agendas. Disgusting.

For a good example of the ultra-leftist (not liberal, mind you) dreams of enforced "utopia", watch the movie Demolition Man. :)
 
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Glock Glockler said:
I'd very much like to know where all this is coming from; people don't just spontaniously attack a certain group of people for no reason. I know that there is tension between the Anglos and the Aboriginees, and I know why, and I also know about the tension between the Anglos and the Indonesions, is this perhaps a anti-Muslim carryover?

Are they lumping the Lebanese in the with other Muslims they don't like?

There was a trial of some Lebanese "youths" who had raped an Aussie girl because "she had been drinking" and was thus considered a whore. Part of there defense was that they didn't know that it wasn't part of Australian culture to rape whores. There have been other instances of rape and abuse of Aussie women at the hands of the Muslims.

The Aussies are tired of this cr*p and I don't blame them.
 
Cosmoline said:
A beer bottle to the head is a LETHAL WEAPON. The police should have intervened with lethal force, not some idiotic attempt to reach in with pepper spray. And since they have DISARMED everyone else, yes they bear sole responsibility for ending the riots. If they didn't want that responsibility they should have refused to enforce the anti-gun laws. As it stands now they are reaping what they sewed.


You can spin this however you want to. The fact is YOU titled this thread as "Australian Race Riots--Cops Do NOTHING"

It's clear that the Cops are doing something. Check out the Fox or CNN or whatever for footage of what's going on.

It's also clear that the police there did not pass those laws. You can thank the Aussie Government for that. Since you Cosmo, can do so much better why don't you go down there and put an end to it instead of complaining how it's all the cops fault.
 
engineer151515 said:
The Koreans proved in the LA riots....

When the police must duck for their own cover, a couple of 12 guage pump shotguns can hold off a mob.

But aren't even those illegal in Australia, now, or just handguns? :barf:

And I still remember video from the LA riots of a Korean shopowner chasing a couple of gunwielding thugs out of his store, and taking a shot after them with what certainly looked like a Desert Eagle. :D
 
kuroineko said:
It's also clear that the police there did not pass those laws. You can thank the Aussie Government for that. Since you Cosmo, can do so much better why don't you go down there and put an end to it instead of complaining how it's all the cops fault.

Nope, but they sure do enforce them. I hold them at the same level I hold the folks who used to hunt down escaped slaves. If it was happening here I would sure put an end to it with extreme prejudice. But in Australia, as in France, possession of the means to defend life and its use is illegal. So the strong are free to beat the weak, and nobody can do squat about it.
 
CAnnoneer, carebear...definitely agree with your comments above. There should always be an honest and open discussion regarding these issues and I think that prevents violence...but


The socialists won't be happy until they spawn full-blown racial conflict. They do that wherever they emerge. Gives them a good reason to come down hard with the iron fist and impose their desired autocratic "utopia."

They talk about "white racism" and skinheads and neo-Nazis. The mirror-image of that is the forcible importation of different cultures that refuse to assimilate.

This is most assuredly white racism. The "forcible importation" in Australia is because of population decline, and it's severely restricted as is...Australia used to have a slogan: "Populate or Perish!", and now that immigrants are coming in to pick up the slack in a growing economy, white racism is going nuts about it.

Cosmo has the right sense about what is going on there. These are folks who just plain do not like dark skinned, different looking people. You guys can draw analogies to america and to "culture" all you want, but the facts on the ground are not that way...like I said, an aussie accent and no cultural trappings from ones ancestors will not make you accepted by all there if your skin is brown.

The Aussies are tired of this cr*p and I don't blame them

You don't blame rioting racist groups for beating on anyone who is brown? Do you think they stop to ask if these guys are Muslim? If they did, would it make them less blameworthy?
 
Yeah, well, maybe the "white racist" Aussies don't like the newcomers bringing their benighted sense of misogyny, compounded with their own religious self-repression, into Australia and foisting it, sometimes violently, on the residents. Fact is, whether you like it or not, socialist governments are obsessed with importing alien cultures--those who resist assimilation--into the homeland. Deliberate cultural fragmentation is one agenda, the better to impose autocracy when the ruptures begin. Probably deep self-loathing, a hallmark of leftist psychology, is another. It will go where it goes.

A lot of us are really very tired of the accusations of white racism, you know. Racism isn't the province only of whites, any more than religious prejudice is.
 
A lot of us are really very tired of the accusations of white racism, you know. Racism isn't the province only of whites, any more than religious prejudice is.

Well, no one's talking about Americans or all whites in general. I'm simply identifying the problem here: Australian whites who hate any non-whites. There are lots of them. Even John Howard is on the record with some ridiculously un-pc comments about Asians.

You being tired of it doesn't change the fact that it is a serious problem in Australia, and these riots perpetrated mostly by neo-nazi style gangs and white supremacists are evidence of that. I'm sorry, but the only "forcing" going on is that these folks have to look at people with different skin colors. That's hardly an evil socialist plot to ruin their country (where, I might add, laborers are some of the highest paid relative to other professions in the world.)

The gripe here isn't about the good economy or low crime or excellent seafood...it's about people who aren't white walking around "their" streets.
 
"as for procreating, our servants can do that for us"

This is most assuredly white racism. The "forcible importation" in Australia is because of population decline, and it's severely restricted as is...Australia used to have a slogan: "Populate or Perish!", and now that immigrants are coming in to pick up the slack in a growing economy, white racism is going nuts about it.

Aren't the leftists the ones who encourage population control and abortion? Their answer to "under-population" is most odd: bring in more prolific "alien" cultures. Ah. The entire lefist agenda needs to be put on the couch.
 
Aren't the leftists the ones who encourage population control and abortion? Their answer to "under-population" is most odd: bring in more prolific "alien" cultures. Ah. The entire lefist agenda needs to be put on the couch

The parties, their agendas, and alliances, are completely different. This might be true in America; it's not in Australia.

And the point is, as much as these "alien cultures" (whatever that means) integrate, they are still treated as different because of their skin colors. We can sit here all day long and pretend that the skin is only an issue because of the behavior of the wearers, but that is simply not the case.
 
I get it: That would be like "loose white women" walking around on THEIR streets, huh? What an affront to those high-minded, morally lofty young bucks!

Or infidels walking around brazenly on "their" streets?

Prejudice takes many faces, many races.

Are there Australian thugs? No doubt. Are there Lebanese thugs? No doubt.
 
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