Auto SP/LP sorter, part II auto decap machine

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Pretty cool

If you can make these and sell them at a low enough price and still make a profit, I can see a possible market for them for the companies that reload and maybe for competitive shooters.
 
With that motor, that’s as fast as it will go, in the 1500 cases per hour range.

I didn’t really have a need for it when I started because I already have a primer pocket sorter I built into my 45 ACP 1050 but in the back of my mind I thought it might be useful as a 308 family decap machine so the index is at the very end of the stroke to allow for much taller cases and would become too aggressive pretty quick unless some resistance was put into the rails. Both could be done, spring load one side of the rails and have the index occur over more of the cycle but as it sits case velocity (the only thing keeping them where they are is friction from where they are sitting) would become a problem somewhere in the 2000 per hour rate as it sits, I would guess.
 
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Far out!

Or does that show my age? :D
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Is that synonymous with groovy or outasight can't remember that far back.:)

jmorris.....I'd call it outasight! Great execution of the idea...I believe you are one who can do anything with a motor! Wondering if the concept could be used with a case kicker and no motor????? giving me a headache thinking about it, so maybe not.;)
 
That's Great! All I need is a dedicated 1050. :) Then I need a new triple size man cave to put it in....... I'm getting too old for all that....luckily I have enough .45 brass before they started doing small primers in them to last me until I can't shoot any more. Not that far off.

Really got me curious about how you are using the ball point. My kind of technology! ;)What senses the small primer on this one?

I said no motor, I shoulda said no electricity or batteries either. Trying to dumb you down to my level. Just thought of one more thing....no gerbils on a running wheel either. Ha!
 
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I'm getting too old for all that....What senses the small primer on this one?
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I guess it would have been nice to start with that setup but I was too young to afford it and not smart enough to build it.

The swage rod has been replaced with the rod with the switch on it. If it goes into the pocket, it does and nothing happens. If it cannot go into the pocket, it compresses the spring bringing the two parts together and closes the contacts of the switch. It could be done mechanically, without any electronics but not as easy.
 
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what motors do you use? I saw a few internal geared motors, how much torque would be required for the crimped primers? (something that can be bought from a reputable company but not overly expensive)

provided say cam that is only few inches long to clear the size of typical rifle cases

I know that the auto drives need a lot more torque for the other operations, but depriving should be far less?
 
I wouldn’t go any smaller than this.

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You also want the pin to be pushing on the primer so it just clears the pocket as the linkage goes over center.
 
great thank you! (BTW awesome work, I watched many of your videos over and over!)

so at the motor side of 26 in-lbs 90x ratio is a lot (2340 in-lbs) 195 ft-lbs?!?

does it really take near 200 foot pounds to take out worst primer? or are we using a large safety factor of 5-10+?

I know if motor is rated at continuous that still you would not want to max it I would guess, what would be good 50-80% load?

I suppose you could measure motor amps with gear box only, then with your tooling only no cases, and finally max draw when its running and depriming say crimped primers

wonder if anyone took a torque wrench and placed it and measured how much it would take for a crimped primer, I would guess no more then 20-40 ft-lbs? (I could be way off lol)

I would like to see what others think, or what there guess would be, I understand also that things should be rated for continuous run and also there are frictional and other losses
 
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so at the motor side of 26 in-lbs 90x ratio is a lot (2340 in-lbs) 195 ft-lbs?!?

does it really take near 200 foot pounds to take out worst primer? or are we using a large safety factor of 5-10+?
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No, that’s not how it works. Google the speck sheet and you will find the PDF file that shows that motor with a number f different gear boxes and their output torque.
 
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No, that’s not how it works. Google the speck sheet and you will find the PDF file that shows that motor with a number f different gear boxes and their output torque.
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thanks for pointing it out, I got misinformed when I was googling first time, what I read was when you have a motor and a gear box separately, but the formulas are a bit more involved when dealing with the motor and the gear box esp with the speed, efficiencies and torque of both units, though for rough idea thats what I had in mind but just that the units that come geared from factory are giving you the actual tested output torque
I figured that overall its not that much torque requited to deprime, now I understand that we should not go any lower then 30 in-lb

bigger would not hurt but it will be more $$$ more space, and possibly more heat and noise

this site Groschopp.com and there videos were very informative, I can look at the motor specs alone and then at the combined gearbox specs and compare

for example

https://www.groschopp.com/data/other/Performance/05312.pdf
https://www.groschopp.com/data/other/Performance/48358.pdf

Motor: AC 1 Ph 8060 TENV (product id: 5312)
Voltage: 115 v 60 Hz
Speed: 3090 rpm 2 Poles

Speed: 3092.5 rpm
Torque: 2.8lb-in
Current: 1.50 amps
Output: 102 watts
Output: 0.1374 HP

now the combo with gearbox
gearbox: PS 2300 300:1 ratio (product id: 48358)
Speed: 11.0 rpm
Torque: 306.0lb-in
Current: 1.23 amps
Output: 40 watts
Output: 0.0533 HP

this mfg has lots of data, really cool far more then others, they give you all kinds of curves and other specs that might be critical for system building
 
I'm not a machinist or metal fabricator.
So some of you guys leave me feeling very inadequate!

Excellent job & video jmorris
 
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