Autopsy shows suspect was shot 25 to 31 times

[Lord Grey Boots]

Thing to remember, when there is a lot of cops pointing guns a suspect, and the suspect forces them to shoot, a lot of cops are ALL going to shoot until the suspect is no longer a threat.

I.e lots of duplication of effort.

The Vancouver City police had a similar situation about 15 years ago, while they still had revolvers.

The suspect came out with a gun up well before the ERT team arrived, the 8 or 10 uniformed officers all emptied their revolvers into the idiot.

Yup, was shot a lot.

 

[Art Eatman]

Well, 7-1/2 hours is probably long enough, I guess, so tear gas then could seem appropriate.

And, like I say, anybody waving a gun around and not obeying a command to behave is pretty much begging for Bad Things. That part of the deal doesn't bother me at all.

As far as the length of time that folks could be discommoded from daily life: Had it not been for three brave men and fire from the ground, Charles Whitman could have controlled the environs around the UT tower for as long as his water held out. And he had five gallons. Tens of thousands of people, for close to a week?

Art

 

[P12]

But Oleg Volk's burglary in progress can't.

Oh, it could wait. It would be over before they called the cops.

Self-reliant people are so cool!

 

[jmbg29]

She shot him in the face.

Actually, he told the neighbor that she shot him in the face. That doesn't make it so, nor does it make it not so.

If he wasn't an hole drunk, he could have told the police what happened instead of just the neighbor.

As it stands, he's dead. His fault, nobody else's.

 

[Robby from Long Island]

Regardless of the circumstances beforehand, anybody that comes out of the their home with a weapon in their hand while the police are present, refuses their order to drop the weapon is just begging to be shot. It's that simple.

 

[Ryder]

Yah, a Taser against a 44 Magnum.

The taser comment was sarcasm. Takes a certain amount of imagination to understand that. Try re-reading my post.

I imagine there are other non-lethal options available which would be more appropriate for the situation.

 

[DeltaElite]

Ryder,
I read your post, after saying that "the police initiated the aggression by firing tear gas" and "looks like they killed him for not obeying orders", I have a hard time finding sarcasm in your post.
I only see the comments of someone who is totally ignorant to what we do and why we do it and is taking a chance to trash the actions of the people involved.
If I am wrong, then I apologize, but your quotes certainly don't show me that you meant anything other than malice with your comments.

He was shot for being a lethal force threat to the officers and community, not for not obeying orders.

As for non-lethal means, nope.
I bring a gun to a gun fight, not a taser, bean bag gun, etc.

BTW, I "imagine" you will try to justify your other comments too.
How's that for imagination.

 

[jmbg29]

I imagine there are other non-lethal options available which would be more appropriate for the situation.

Emphasis added for obvious sarcastic reasons.

 

[Coronach]

Gentlemen, play nice. Lets all ease up on the sarcasm.

That said,

Ryder, you are incorrect. Once the situation is officers v. suspect with gun in a confrontation, it is lethal force time. There are very few such situations in which deploying less-lethal weapons would be prudent.

Now, questioning whether it is appropriate to force the issue to a head, as they did, is less cut and dried. Still, it sounds like they handled it properly, IMO.

Mike

 

[Ryder]

SWAT is Special Weapons And Tactics. "Tactics" implies intelligent solutions. I just don't see anything "special" about tear gas and bullets. Guess I know otherwise now. Thanks for the clarifications.

It wasn't that big of a deal to me. This guy stated he wanted to die, he got his wish, no problem.

 

[mrat]

I imagine there are other non-lethal options available which would be more appropriate for the situation.

Actually no. Non lethal options are not considered in a gunfight.

SWAT is Special Weapons And Tactics. "Tactics" implies intelligent solutions.

In this situation the intelligent solution was shooting the guy with the gun.

No one, police or citizen, should ever attempt to use non lethal options or intelligent solutions when faced with a subject with a firearm whose actions show intent on doing harm to another human being.

 

[igor]

There are always resources to be had if there is will to organize. Balancing the tied up resources and annoyance to the neighborhood to a human (well, relatively) life is a rather revealing exercise in societal values, IMHO.

 

[cordex]

A word from the Master on this:

Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.

*shrug*
If the drunk wanted left alone and to bleed to death, he shouldn't have called the coppers. Was properly equipped to bring the situation to whichever resolution he wanted, either through putting another round into himself or walking out unarmed.

I don't condone trigger-happy cops shooting at imaginary threats, but I don't think this qualifies.

 

[Delmar]

"When they sign up for that job, they know what it is," she said. "They know they can kill someone."

Dear Self Righteous Old Bag mother of idiot,
Where were you for 7.5 hours when your drunken, wounded son was alive and needing help?

There must be a shortage of C-clamps at the local hardware store, because that fool sure needs one for a hat.