autos powerful enough to be called MAGNUM!

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i know about the 10mm but are there any other commercialy available generaly accepted auto calibers that can be deamed as a magnum?

i know there are the wildey magnums but lets face it those arent as easily attainable as a 10mm

oh and one more thing i know that the desert eagle can shoot .357 and .44 but lets keep this to calibers made for autoguns not guns built around revolver magnums
 
AFAIK the .50AE in the Desert Eagle is the largest caliber semi auto pistol.

The .50AE is a big round.
 
.45 Winchester for the Grizzly 1911 pistol was one. I know a guy who uses one as a bear pistol, but you don't see them very often.

.460 Rowland wildcat also.

There were also a whole range of action express (AE) cartridges, of which only the .50 has survived.

It's odd, but they really don't seem to do very well. Certainly not as well as the magnum revolver rounds. The limitations of the semi platform may be one reason, but I suspect there's also a very different market for semis. The person buying a semi is usually looking for factors other than magnum-level punch.
 
Oh yeah the .460 Rowland certainly counts, 230 grain bullet with a goal of 1350 FPS from a 5" barrel? That's magnum to me.
 
I've taken a buck with a .460 Rowland kit in my last 1911...it is DEFFINATELY magnum quallified! (185gr 1550fps factory loaded round was what I had...wished I'd had a heavier 200 or 230gr version but that's what my bud had who's kit I borrowed.

I think of .40 with the 135gr Corbon load as a semi auto .357 the guy from Gunblast seems to have drawn the same conclussion. Reffering of course the the federal classic 125gr load ...the .40 is a little bigger but that just makes up for the JHP vs Semi-JHP. It's the only load I really and truly like carrying in .40 a hot 155 or 165 would be my next choices...but that's how I like my .40 served up...hot and light. If I want slow and heavy a .45 does it worlds better!
 
what about the bigger calibers they make for the 1911? like the 50 govt or the straight up 50 short. they make barrel conversions, I just can't name the company that does it.
 
I would consider the 7.62x25 like a .30 magnum. Especially if someone handloads them to over 1600 fps and they will put out over 600 foot pounds of muzzle energy.

There are automatics that fire the 22 magnum, 357 magnum, and 44 magnum. The latter two have desert eagle platforms available.
 
what about the bigger calibers they make for the 1911? like the 50 govt or the straight up 50 short. they make barrel conversions, I just can't name the company that does it.

In regards to the .50 G.I., this-
Are those actually magnums or just big "bulldog" style rounds?

They are big, slow, light for caliber loads. Definitely not a "magnum" caliber at all.

Do you think that 400 Corbon would qualify?

I don't think it does, more like a fast, powerful service caliber, by service caliber standards.

.440 Cor-Bon, now that's definitely a magnum.
 
i know about the 10mm but are there any other commercialy available generaly accepted auto calibers that can be deamed as a magnum?

i know there are the wildey magnums but lets face it those arent as easily attainable as a 10mm

oh and one more thing i know that the desert eagle can shoot .357 and .44 but lets keep this to calibers made for autoguns not guns built around revolver magnums

With maybe one or two exceptions, not any that don't hugely violate the "reasonable size and weight" requirement to qualify them as suitable for daily concealed carry, not just as "sh*ts-n-giggles" range toys. :rolleyes:

This is generally taken to mean a size & weight maximum that's roughly at or near that of a 5" Government model 1911/A1.

That paradigm envelope - again, a sort of rough maximum - would allow for similar full-size duty guns like the S&W's 3rd Generation 45XX-series and 10XX-series; in the CZ-derivative line, the 10mm Witnesses, 10mm Bren Ten and, if we ever see it, Vltor's 5" standard model 10mm "Fortis"; and, when it was around back in the day, the old Coonan model B, a 1911 with slightly elongated frame, chambered for the .357 magnum revolver cartridge. And certainly the large-frame Glock 20/21, with it's polymer composition and 4.6" barrel/slide, falls within the acceptable "full-size" range.

All those pants-drooping behemoths, like the Wildeys, Desert Eagles and the old AutoMags, just don't make the cut, even though they're clearly magnum-level cartridges.

High-pressure cartridges that can operate within the full-size 1911-frame, by means swapping out the barrel and spring, like the .460 Rowland, .40Super, and maybe the .400CorBon, probably do qualify for "magnum autoloader" status. However, for these, I'm unsure about how "available" they are for immediate purchase, like at a gunshop (some of them, frankly, make the 10mm look as ubiquitous as the .22 l.r. by comparison), ... and whether they're "generally accepted" is kinda vague.

But of course, of all of these, the 10mm AUTO was the first ... :cool:

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I shoot 45 super in my converted 1911. It puts out 185 hp at 1300fps and shoots about as flat as my 44 mag revolvers and about the same as my 10mm glock.
 
jmortimer said:
For factory ammunition it is .45 Winchester mag and .50 AE as indicated and I suppose you could include the 10mm. Just shows how far behind semi-auto pistols are from the high end revolvers it terms of power.

Thats the thing though: auto loaders are a compromise. What they lack in power compared to a revolver, they make up in capacity, quicker reloads and quicker follow up shots.
 
And lower recoil for the same amount of power and same weight. or less weight for the same power and equivalent recoil.
 
As far as follow-up shots - it depends on who is doing the shooting - genrally I suppose you could say yes - but the fastest shooters use revolvers. Let's Consider the 10 mm which gets so many of you all so excited. Even "Old School" revolver calibers like the .45 Colt and .44 mag have twice the "power" of the 10mm and we are just getting started at that point. Let's consider large dangerous animals. The 10mm will put a two foot long "hole" in the critter so let's say you get off two or even three shots. Probably won't make much of an impact. Now lets take the .45 Colt which will shoot through the animal on a broadide and shoot end to end on really large animals. So one round from the 11.5mm .45 Colt will have more effect than multiple shots from the beloved 10mm. For personal defense against a bad guy the semi-auto is a good choice but not for serious work outdoors.
 
.22 Magnum :D

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Let's simplify this magnum auto problem. Any semi-auto that can deliver a bullet at 1200 fps [muzzle] could be classed as a magnum...I would think.
 
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