Awb? Hah!

[CoyoteSix]

I was just wondering, what congressman is gonna push for an AWB or other gun legislation when we've got this fiscal cliff thing going on?

C'mon think about it! What yuppie anti is gonna worry about "ASSAULT WEAPONS!" when suddenly they can't afford to go to Starbucks everyday or shop at their organic food stores?

I really think that all this gun legislation talk is gonna blow over when our nation starts having REAL problems that will effect everyone. Anti or not.

Just trying to lift the mood, Kicker.

 

[MAUSER88]

I hope your correct Sir!

 

[Coltdriver]

You know in all honesty I have to agree with you.

Its a Diane Feinstein wet dream. But it just ain't gonna happen.

No way it gets thru the house.

Our guv in Colorado is pushing for some mental health funding. I am ok with that. There ain't gonna be a magazine ban or anything else. Its a total lighting rod and the elected know it.

Obama may try some executive order nonsense but it will get a court challenge if he exceeds reality and I think he knows it.

I saw an article recently saying NRA is adding 7000 new members a day.

This panic will blow over in a few months. In the meantime one of the last bastions of capitalism rocks on! Too bad it affects my hobby so much! I will just pause and let it pass like the last few.

The irony of all of it is that the Democrats are probably the best thing that ever happened to the firearms industry ever!!

Merry Christmas to all who read this!

 

[jason41987]

in all honesty, the government couldnt care less about the fiscal cliff... this is our problem, not theirs... most these guys are multi-millionaires with very little risk of ever having to do a real job in their lives.... in fact, one Democrat even said they wanted us to go over the cliff so the taxes on us would go way up again....

so yeah, they dont care about us.. its been decades since we've had a president that has.... sure, bush let the first AWB expire.. but he's the same as the rest of him... homeland security, TSA, eminent domain.. these things completely and totally destroyed our fourth amendment

so when is the last time we've had a leader, or a majority of politicians that actually gave a damn about the country or any of the people in it?... its been a very long time, too damn long, so i wouldnt be suprised if they put more focus on the gun issue (increasing their power) while ignoring the fiscal cliff

 

[JBrady555]

I agree with the OP. In my opinion from watching the mainstream news channels I am already seeing a slow turn around. As the emotion calms I am seeing less anger towards the pro gunners and more of a civilized debate. That is not to say that the antis are backing down but I think with even more time your going to hear less and less about the "gun" debate. I think by the end of January when Bidens people finally make their recommendations it could never pass in DC with GOP control. I seen a inspiring piece of info on one of the news channels, can't remember which one, but when the 1994 AWB passed the vote was something like 216-214, don't quote me to that please, and that was in a Democratic controlled congress. I don't think it will happen with a Republican based congress....I hope.

 

[kwguy]

Do not underestimate the ability of politicians to be stupid and do something to infringe upon our rights. Don't let your guard down, because that's what they hope for. I heard a quote somewhere: "it only takes a small group of dedicated people to make a large change", or something like that. Many of those politicians may not care about the fiscal cliff, or a great many other things, but a few are absolutely PASSIONATE about gun control, just like Hitler was passionate. These fascists won't stop. When you ban sodas like the mayor of NYC did, how can you possibly not be considered a facist. That's just crazy. It's like having only "a little bit of cancer". Those few people are a cancer, and you MUST guard against it.

 

[Old Dog]

Believing that a new AWB and continued assaults on our right to keep and bear arms cannot happen is simply hubris.

If the liberals feel the climate is ripe for new gun control, they will go for it ...

Y'all can keep your heads buried in the sand if you wish; the rest of us will just have to carry your load. So many here didn't believe we'd arrive at this crossroads (go back and review posts from even the past few weeks, before the horror of Sandy Hook) ... and now we all collectively panic and go seeking the stuff we should have been buying all along?

I hope I'm wrong here, but to quote the great CCR, I see a bad moon risin' ... I see trouble on the way ...

 

[Zekest Crowe]

The ban will be voted on late Christmas night when only enough Democrats are available to vote yes and agree to the passing of the executive order.

The morning after Christmas, all the people looking at their brand new semi automatic rifles, hand guns, double action pistols, and cross bows will learn that they must turn them all into the nearest police station within 30 days or face a felony conviction. All carry and gun permits have been recalled, and all ammo sales suspended.

 

[JBrady555]

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[MachIVshooter]

I want to believe they'll be distracted by bigger issues, but I wasn't born yesterday. In the midst of the worst recession since the great depression and against a large majority of the constituency's desires, they rammed Obamacare down our throat. Same thing with corporate bailouts and stimulus packages. I personally believe they'll jusp heap the blame for the economic crisis on the GOP and keep pushing their agendas.

The ban will be voted on late Christmas night when only enough Democrats are available to vote yes and agree to the passing of the executive order.

The morning after Christmas, all the people looking at their brand new semi automatic rifles, hand guns, double action pistols, and cross bows will learn that they must turn them all into the nearest police station within 30 days or face a felony conviction. All carry and gun permits have been recalled, and all ammo sales suspended.

Ummm, no.

 

[CoyoteSix]

The ban will be voted on late Christmas night when only enough Democrats are available to vote yes and agree to the passing of the executive order.

The morning after Christmas, all the people looking at their brand new semi automatic rifles, hand guns, double action pistols, and cross bows will learn that they must turn them all into the nearest police station within 30 days or face a felony conviction. All carry and gun permits have been recalled, and all ammo sales suspended.

Zeke I respect your opinion but.....

CROSSBOWS?!?!?!

 

[ToraBoraBlues]

I think the libs will prefer a debate on guns rather than the fiscal cliff to get a quick emotional appeal to the couch-potato-moms and yuppies.

I would be highly surprised if there is no significant attempt to implement a serious disarmament of we the people.

JMO

 

[Grassman]

I think this whole fiscal cliff thing is bad for us, they will pursue an AWB to take the attention off the fiscal problems. It's right out of the dem playbook.

 

[Texan Scott]

Zeke, the Constitution requires a roll call and a majority quorum in each house for a vote to be called. There can be no midnight secret squirrel vote in the House with the greater portion gone.

 

[gym]

You know what, I am beginning to change my mind, and am starting to think that they bit off more than they thought they could chew. The last few days it has become obvious that we are not going to sit by and allow this blatent illegal confiscation.
What then? if no one will back up the attempt at pushing this law that will be overturned,on appeal, then it's not going to be introduced.
He would have already have initiated some sort of freeze on guns or mags or something.
Instead more stuff is being bought than ever.
Half the police can't figure outhow to remove a Magazine.
It ain't coming back mr pres., no one is handing over thousands in possesions to you for free, that's just stupid to assume. Unless you pay 2-3 thousand per gun.
It's like kids in the school yard, I want your bike, no you can't have it. So do you think they start shooting Americans they suspect of owning guns? Really what's the outcome, more violence. Not likelly when he govt has more important problems, like running out of money.More enforcement personell say no way every day,
Zeke you can't turn in what you no longer have
This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickock

 

[-v-]

That, and judging what has been on the front page of news before Connecticut and now, I get the impression the fiscal cliff is a much more "interesting" issue in Washington then the AWB. Now, that's no reason why we should even think of taking a sigh of relief, just that the AWB is not the biggest issue on their radar.

Now, after the fiscal can has been kicked down the road, fully expect them to make another push for a AWB in the name of "For the Children!" The irony of course, that disarmament and state-perpetrated murder has resulted in the deaths of many many more (10,000x? 100,000x? the sky is the limit!) children then all the school shootings and bombings combined have up to this point.

 

[Hokkmike]

None of the elite ruling class will be effected by the fiscal cliff nor any AWB. Unless, we can make it clear that we will vote our will in overwhelming numbers. Even the for some of them it is 6 years away. They must be made to further understand that we have long memories.

 

[hso]

I really think that all this gun legislation talk is gonna blow over when our nation starts having REAL problems that will effect everyone. Anti or not.

That's overly optimistic.

Politicians will spend time on pointless high visibility legislation over substantive legislation. Dedicated Anti politicians who've made their careers on trying to ban firearms will only increase their legacy if they accomplish their objective instead of having to have abandoned it.

There is no way in the world that the hard core Anti politicians like Bloomberg and Feinstein and Pelosi will miss the chance to justify their years of effort to ban your guns by finally getting legislation passed to make you a criminal.

 

[psyopspec]

If we go over the fiscal cliff: Republicans don't have to agree to raise taxes on anyone; further, they get spending cuts that they want. Democrats get to see cuts to defense while maintaining core social programs. Both parties then get to work out a resolution and can factually claim that they worked to lower taxes.

I disagree with your analysis, and believe the fiscal cliff and any possible AWB will generally work independently. While incentives exist to avoid it, both have much more to gain by going over and then working from there and appearing the hero, since anything done will be cheered by both bases in addition to independents who can see what they wish to see in the way of compromise.

 

[TwoEyedJack]

There is a very good chance that nothing substantial will come from this effort. My reasoning:

1) They put Joe Biden in charge.
2) The dems got creamed after they passed the 1994 crime bill, and it cost Gore the presidency
3) They would have to deal with the Heller decision, which affirms that the second amendment is an individual right (i.e. negates the "collective rights" argument), and that handgun bans violate the Second Amendment.
4) There are more of us, and we have the guns

 

[wacki]

Heller vs. DC was 5-4. We were 1 vote away from losing the 2nd amendment.

Sometimes you "everything is fine" people make me sick.

 

[stickhauler]

Pardon me, but Gore ran in 2000. Gore cost himself the Presidency, we used to not elect total idiots. Well, not till 2008, anyway!

 

[gunnutery]

I don't think the fiscal cliff has any bearing on the AWB. Those are two separate issues that are going to be dealt with on different time frames.

The fiscal cliff deadline is next week. The AWB legislation will be introduced after the fiscal cliff is done. They may be feeling less heat on the fiscal cliff, but they're feeling the heat on the gun debate from both sides.

With some of the legislation that "couldn't possibly pass" that slipped right on through, I'm not making any bets on the AWB or mag capacity. There is a very fragile "balance" in DC and it's not exactly held together by facts and logic.

 

[ID-shooting]

What is to stop them from using the "for other purposes" clause?

Fix the "fiscal cliff" and AWB in one fell swoop. They have done it before.

All it takes is for them to figure out they can give in to the right on budget, attach the AWB rider and BAM! We are all criminals.

 

[psyopspec]

All it takes is for them to figure out they can give in to the right on budget, attach the AWB rider and BAM! We are all criminals.

I generally find it's safe to assume that what politicians want is to continue being politicians via reelection. What you describe would not be conducive to candidates on either side continuing that trend. POTUS asked Biden to report back next month on gun control. We hurtle off the cliff next week. Those are separate deadlines and each will require detailed work prior to passing. Further, anything done on the AWB is going to get very emotional on both sides and piss off a lot of constituents. Anything done on the fiscal cliff after we go over it will be seen as good by all since legislation at that point becomes de facto tax cuts. If you're a politician, do you want your constituents feeling good about your work on the economy/budget/taxes, or do you want a chunk of them feeling pissed off?