Senate approves amendment requiring handgun safety locks

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So let me get this straight - they have to sell(!) me a gun lock, which I can then chuck in my tool box if I so desire (no kids in the house anyway).

If this is the anti's compromise, as opposed to trying to attach the AWB, its a compromise I can live with. Heck, in MD its the law now anyway.

Weren't they also huffing about "cop killer" bullets and nationwide LEO CCW also?
 
grumble grumble grumble...


Just wait till I start voting! Then neither of you a$$holes will get my vote!
Heck, one of my senators last name is a gun! And they both voted for it!!!
 
This is a similar law that was passed in California. Its bad news!
We can't buy a gun without an approved lock! The laws have become so confusing most gunowners that I know that haven't bought a gun within the last couple of years in California would be shocked when they go to buy one today.

Remember the government makes the requirements up for the locks. What's to stop them now from amending it in the future to include integral locks or so called "safe" gun technology? The anti's are getting their foot in the door. It will also increase liability for you and me.

This is total BS!
 
FYI Nighthorse Campbell was hospitalized this morning. He is not abstaining willfully.
 
write to the paper and correct them

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just pick a lie from the article, and a fact from below!!

I can't make it any easier.

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from gunfacts v 3.2

Fact: Children are 12 times more likely to die in an automobile accident than from gun-related
homicides or legal interventions (being shot by a cop, for example) if they are age 0-14. For the
group 0-24 years old (which bends the definition of ‘child’ quite a bit), the rate is still 8.6 times
higher for cars.73

Fact: In 1996, there were only 21 accidental firearm deaths for children under age 15. Contrast
this with 40 kids under age five that drowned in buckets and 80 that drowned in tubs (i.e. parents
could have prevented six (6) times as many drowning deaths as they could firearm deaths).74

Fact: And things are getting better. Accidental firearm injuries for children and adolescents
dropped 37% from 1993 to 1997, with the fastest drop – a 64% reduction – being for children.75

Fact: Boys who own legal firearms have much lower rates of delinquency and drug use and are
even less delinquent than non-owners of guns.76

Fact: The non-gun homicide rate for children in the U.S. is more than twice as high than other
western countries. And eight times as many children die from non-gun violent acts than from
gun crimes.77 This indicates that the problem is violence, not guns.

Fact: Fatal gun accidents for children ages 0-14 declined by almost 46% from 1975 to 1995, and
60% for all ages – all while the number of guns per capita increased by almost 40%.

Fact: 82% of homicides to children age 13 and under were committed without a gun.78

Fact: 0% of kids that get guns from their parents commit gun-related crimes while 21% of those
that get them illegally do.79

Fact: Almost twice as many kids (24%) commit any type of street crime if they get guns
illegally, as opposed to kids given guns by their parents and taught the proper way to use them
(14%).80

Fact: Almost three times as many kids (41%) take drugs if they also obtain guns illegally, as
compared to kids given guns by their parents (13%).

73 1997 National Center for Health Statistics National Vital Statistics Report
74 Centers for Disease Control, 1999
75 “Firearms Injury Surveillance Studyâ€, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, December 2001
76 U.S. Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention,
NCJ-143454, "Urban Delinquency and Substance Abuse," August 1995.
77 Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention , “Kids and Gunsâ€, 2000
78 FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, 1997
79 U.S. Justice Department, “Urban Delinquency and Substance Abuseâ€, 2000
80 Ibid.:banghead:
 
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said Boxer, who cited FBI statistics showing a child killed by a firearm every three hours.
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Aww, come on.... ....don't they ever get called on this blatant nonsense?


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Only when WE do it. So let's.....see above
 
No go. CPSC will put out minimum requirements.
I'm not seeing that. :confused:

`(36) The term `locking device' means a device or locking mechanism that is approved by a licensed firearms manufacturer for use on the handgun with which the device or locking mechanism is sold, delivered, or transferred and that--

I can see though how this could require a gun lock to go with a private sale transfer of a used handgun.
 
Guys,

Who cares? I don't mean to seem flippant, but so what? Every gun I have bought for years has come with some sort of trigger lock. I realize that this may be a hassle for pawn shops, but it isn't the end of the world. As was said before, if this is the "compromise" then fine. The gun companies want to be immune from lawsuits, throw in a $2 lock. Whoop-de-do. Totally innocuous feel-good pap.

GHB
 
DMK, as Boxer was talking about it, the Consumer Products Safety Commission would approve or put out minimum requirements for these devices. I think there was a 2nd string amendment to Boxer's amendment, perhaps it took out the CPSC req?
 
So who pays for the locks? I'm assuming used firearms and such the dealer must provide those? And NIB firearms, manufacturers provide them? What about private sales? (Sorry if in all that legal language it answers my question but I'd prefer it if someone just straight up answers my questions)
 
"IN GENERAL- Except as provided under paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer to sell, deliver, or transfer any handgun to any person other than a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer, unless the transferee is provided with a locking device for that handgun."


It is just for dealers. You can sell without it if you aren't a dealer. Just toss it out if you don't like--that is what I do.


No big deal. This is a big gain if this is all we have to swallow. If they want to make it a law to put firearms safety tip sheet in the box thats fine too. This is just something so the otherside can say they got something.

GHB
 
No big deal. This is a big gain if this is all we have to swallow.
I agree. The manufacturers are already giving you an owners manual, an extra magazine, sometimes even a mag loader and/or a fired shell. Throwing a $4 gunlock in the also isn't going to break anybody's bank.

Actually, I think it's a good idea (as long as it's not manditory to actually lock the gun or use a specific lock). At least it will give somebody the option to secure their handguns when they aren't being used for HD.
 
Someone (The NRA?) should start a collection for all these goddamned gun locks and ship them all to Boxer's office. Just rent a big old dumptruck and dump hundreds of thousands in front of the door.
 
Now does that mean everytime I BUY a new or used handgun I'm going to have to also BUY a new cable lock to throw in the drawer? :fire: :cuss:

I guess we're not even immune to this phenom in the non-communist states.
 
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Dayton, our Democratic senator voted Yea, as I would expect, but so did our Republican senator (Coleman), which surprised me.
 
If this is indeed the only compromise, then even this Libertarian could stand it (I think).

Maybe someone on the right has been reading The End of Gun Control that bfieldburt posted here at THR. Hmmm?

OK, NO COMPROMISE, except maybe for this, possibly....:cool:

Daedalus,

Someone (The NRA?) should start a collection for all these goddamned gun locks and ship them all to Boxer's office. Just rent a big old dumptruck and dump hundreds of thousands in front of the door.

That sounds like a GREAT idea!!! :neener:
 
Who cares? It is just a lock. Toss it.

Who cares? Just another waste of my $$$ and yet a new complication to buying a gun. "Oh yea, you got a CCW so you don't have to do the background check, but I can't find any trigger locks so you can come back and pick it up when we get some in."
 
What if they demanded that it come with a box? Or a manual? Almost all guns already come with manuals, boxes, and trigger locks. So some pawn shops will have to buy a couple of cheap trigger locks, boo hoo. If this is the price of getting immunity from stupid lawsuits (and getting the bill through without the AWB) then so be it.

This is no big deal at all. We shouldn't make everything into a great cataclysm--this affects gun owners not one bit.

Relax:D.



GHB
 
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