Baby Eagle safety design flaw, need help.
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See the "ETA" section in my message below. This is a possibility, but I suspect your decocker would be stuck completely, like mine was when I tried it..This thread got me curious. DorkFish, look at the pictures of my BE 45 and compare to yours.
In the first picture, standard field strip with firing pin removal. The second picture is a closeup of the removed slide internals. Excuse the reddish goop -- it's grease. Note the close-up of the slide: the black metal pin protrudes on the right when the slide-mounted decocker is engaged. Internally, the decocker grabs the firing pin and pushes it slightly forward so the falling hammer cannot strike it. The metal pin on the slide engages a lever on the frame which causes the hammer to fall and the trigger to disconnect. I illustrated this lever (final picture) by pointing to it with the firing pin.
At a minimum, I'd like you to look at (and press) the disconnect lever on the frame (picture 4) and inspect the pin on the slide which protrudes when the decock mechanism is engaged. Look for play, wear or other oddities.
Steve
ETA: I purposely tried to put the firing pin in the wrong way. This causes the decock mechanism to lock up... The lever does not move, the pin does not extend, the firing pin does not retract, etc. It would be pretty obvious if the firing pin was installed improperly. For those curious: Aim the notch in the firing pin at the rear sight (notch up). Also, the firing pin block is a little strange. It has a line on the top which should be perpendicular (forming a T) to the firing pin when installed properly AND works the opposite of the 1911 system: To lock, it must be depressed. When not depressed, the firing pin is free floating.
In the first picture, standard field strip with firing pin removal. The second picture is a closeup of the removed slide internals. Excuse the reddish goop -- it's grease. Note the close-up of the slide: the black metal pin protrudes on the right when the slide-mounted decocker is engaged. Internally, the decocker grabs the firing pin and pushes it slightly forward so the falling hammer cannot strike it. The metal pin on the slide engages a lever on the frame which causes the hammer to fall and the trigger to disconnect. I illustrated this lever (final picture) by pointing to it with the firing pin.
At a minimum, I'd like you to look at (and press) the disconnect lever on the frame (picture 4) and inspect the pin on the slide which protrudes when the decock mechanism is engaged. Look for play, wear or other oddities.
Steve
ETA: I purposely tried to put the firing pin in the wrong way. This causes the decock mechanism to lock up... The lever does not move, the pin does not extend, the firing pin does not retract, etc. It would be pretty obvious if the firing pin was installed improperly. For those curious: Aim the notch in the firing pin at the rear sight (notch up). Also, the firing pin block is a little strange. It has a line on the top which should be perpendicular (forming a T) to the firing pin when installed properly AND works the opposite of the 1911 system: To lock, it must be depressed. When not depressed, the firing pin is free floating.
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DirtMoverz
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I spoke with Magnum Research and was told to send the gun in, and pay for my own shipping.
I was also told they are having many problems with the latest batches of guns and it will take 6~8weeks to repair and they will not expedite repairs.
Magnum Research resently told IMI they won't be importing the guns anymore, and now IMI is shipping them bad parts because they are upset.
This is the only reason/answer I was given.
I am sending my BE in Monday - I will let everyone know if it works when I get it back.
Apparently I should have just bought an old used one at the gun show - at least the safety would have worked.
I was also told they are having many problems with the latest batches of guns and it will take 6~8weeks to repair and they will not expedite repairs.
Magnum Research resently told IMI they won't be importing the guns anymore, and now IMI is shipping them bad parts because they are upset.
This is the only reason/answer I was given.
I am sending my BE in Monday - I will let everyone know if it works when I get it back.
Apparently I should have just bought an old used one at the gun show - at least the safety would have worked.
DirtMoverz
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Just noticed that when I lay the gun on it's right side, the safety never works and the gun will fire.
If I hold the gun on it's left side (mag release facing the ground) the safety works fine.
DorkFish - Does yours act the same way?
Seems like something is just loose and the pin that sticks out the bottom of the slide to activate the decocker is too short.
Let me know...
Just noticed that when I lay the gun on it's right side, the safety never works and the gun will fire.
If I hold the gun on it's left side (mag release facing the ground) the safety works fine.
DorkFish - Does yours act the same way?
Seems like something is just loose and the pin that sticks out the bottom of the slide to activate the decocker is too short.
Let me know...
Boba Fett
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I call total BS on this comment.
You're saying that IMI is holding a grudge against Magnum Research because a different company will now be importing IMI firearms. And because of that, IMI is sending bad parts that will endanger people's lives, ruin their reputation, decrease their profits, and risk lawsuits??
BS!
Charles Daly
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DirtMoverz said:
I agree that this is total BS. You have to be very careful who you believe after a manufacturer and an importer part ways. Usually one of them is not particularly happy with the loss of business.
But to suggest that the maker is sending bad parts is absolutely absurd. Boba Fett is correct with his comments.
DirtMoverz
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We can go back and forth but as I said before, this was Magnum Research's response, not something I came up with.
Magnum Research is who told me they were getting bad shipments of parts and they believe it is because they will no longer be doing business with IMI.
Just what they said...
Boba Fett and Charles Daly - we are trying to fix a problem with our guns, not talk trash. I'm just relaying what the company said.
If you can't help, just stay off the board.
Magnum Research is who told me they were getting bad shipments of parts and they believe it is because they will no longer be doing business with IMI.
Just what they said...
Boba Fett and Charles Daly - we are trying to fix a problem with our guns, not talk trash. I'm just relaying what the company said.
If you can't help, just stay off the board.
Boba Fett
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I'm fine with you trying to solve a potential problem with your firearm and I hope you do. But if you don't want to "talk trash," then hold yourself to the same standard and don't post far fetched hearsay which actually has nothing to do with your problem.
Simply put, your supposed comments from Magnum Research are slanderous. Posting them without anything substantive to back up those comments is equally libelous.
If you're going to post hearsay, then you're going to have to accept people's responses to it. Especially slanderous/libelous hearsay.
So please, don't tell us to stay off the board. We have the same rights you do to make posts and replies to comments.
Charles Daly and I are helping. We are saying that your comments are dubious. Since your comments stand to hurt IMI, we are providing help by responding to your comments. It just isn't the "help" you were looking to hear I guess.
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