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[Glockula]

I am using Unique in my glock 23 with good results.

 

[Potatohead]

Thanks again for the feedback. And FYI I'm taking note of what everyone says even if I dont specifically mention it in a reply, I very much appreciate all of your posts.

Nice to hear AtlDave weigh in, he's one of the kings of 10milly around here iirc ...And no sweat Gojones Im glad to hear from you, quite a good many of us aren't as experienced as most of these fellas.


Walkalong, I can't recall where I got it but Im trying to paste my burn rate chart to this post, not that it really matters in the grand scheme. Im a little rusty, I have no idea if it'll show up, or where it will show up if it does. And I do figure any burn rate chart is just a reference, and possibly not even a very good one, I have a feeling those charts are a pretty subjective proposition at best.

Also, speaking of Experience (with a capital "E") does RC still roam these hallowed grounds?

 

[Walkalong]

Ramshot Burn Rate Chart (One more reason a burn rate chart is merely a useful tool, and not reloading info.)

 

[Potatohead]

Awesome, thanks. And wow that's indeed a much bigger spread between the two. They were 40 & 44 on mine. I probably would've jumped on the Silhouette the other night had I seen that rate chart. Probably a good thing though, my pocketbook is getting that old familiar feel of being empty from buying reloading equipment lol.

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

Anything between AA #2 and Blue Dot will work fine in the 40 S&W. Blue Dot is about the slowest powder you would want to use.

Longshot and True-Blue are right next to each other.

 

[Phlier]

I have been very happy with HS-6 and TiteGroup in the forty (although the small charges with TiteGroup make me a little uncomfortable).

I recently assisted in a powder test where CFE Pistol did very well. My next batch of .40 will be loaded with that.

My Dad (who has been reloading for over 60(!) years now) turned me on to CFE-Pistol, and I love it.

I'm certainly not among the reloading elite by any means, but I can tell you the stuff weighs consistently throw-after-throw, even through my bottom of the line (and very old) RCBS powder measure.

While I think the "copper fouling eraser" marketing gig is exactly that, it is a very good powder.

I'm using it for 9mm, 38 special, and light 44 mag target loads.

Lurkmode resumed. Man, I'm learning so much from you guys... much appreciated.

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

I use CFE-Pistol in 9mm and I agree....its a very good powder and meters extremely well.

 

[Potatohead]

Glad I bought a LB of the CFE, sounds like a lot of folks are getting good results with it. I have to say I lean towards agreeing with you on the fouling eraser (or whatever it's supposed to do) claim possibly being a tad fictitious. I really want to believe it and it sounds really good but...

 

[LiveLife]

Copper fouling? What copper fouling? I have yet to see copper fouling in any of my pistol barrels the past 400,000+ rounds.

And if you are using lead or coated lead bullets with CFE Pistol, what happens?

 

[Phlier]

Copper fouling? What copper fouling? I have yet to see copper fouling in any of my pistol barrels the past 400,000+ rounds.

And if you are using lead or coated lead bullets with CFE Pistol, what happens?

Any pennies that are fouling up your pockets are erased.

I haven't used a very large variety of powders, but CFE is by far my favorite.

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

With 8.2 grains of Longshot and a 155 grain Berry's plated flat nose, its pushing them at 1250 fps through the chrono....that's pretty stout.

I'm going to back it off to 7.7 grains for my future loads.

 

[vaalpens]

Copper fouling? What copper fouling? I have yet to see copper fouling in any of my pistol barrels the past 400,000+ rounds.

And if you are using lead or coated lead bullets with CFE Pistol, what happens?

I'm not sure if this qualifies as copper fouling, but when I shoot thick plated bullets in 357sig like Berry's HBFPTP at around 1300fps, come cleaning time I get a telltale blue color on my cleaning pads when using Hoppe's#9.

My plan was to load up some of the plated bullets with CFE Pistol and see if it makes any difference, but have not made the time yet to test it out.

 

[subierex]

Waaaay back in the 90's when I used to have a G22, I used W231 exclusively for reloading non-magnum pistol rounds. Seemed to work fine for .40SW for me.

I can never find AA5 around here and refuse to spend $20 for hazmat fee for shipping. I've always wanted to try it though.

 

[Potatohead]

I could imagine. I'd think if anything could burn some bullet in a bbl it'd be that caliber..?


Ehh crap, that was a reply to Vaal, forgot to hit the little doo dad button that quotes the post you're replying to

 

[LiveLife]

I'm not sure if this qualifies as copper fouling, but when I shoot thick plated bullets in 357sig like Berry's HBFPTP at around 1300fps, come cleaning time I get a telltale blue color on my cleaning pads when using Hoppe's#9.

My plan was to load up some of the plated bullets with CFE Pistol and see if it makes any difference, but have not made the time yet to test it out.

I have shot Berry's thick plated 9mm 115/124 gr HBRN-TP and thick plated RMR 9mm 100/115/124/147 gr HM RN/HP bullets in my pistols and have not seen blue color on cleaning patches when using Hoppes #9. In fact, I do not recall seeing any blue when shooting regular plated Berry's or other plated bullets (HSM, Power Bond, Rainier, Speer TMJ, Speer Gold Dot), just black fouling on cleaning patches that goes to clean.

For my carbine load testing, I am pushing RMR 100 gr HM RN to almost 1500 fps and 115 gr Berry's HBRN-TP/RMR HM RN to 1400 fps with 17" Just Right/16" PSA carbines and not seeing plating failure. Cleaning patches with Hoppes #9 just show black that turns to clear.

Could you perhaps try a new bore brush and see if you get blue color on cleaning patch with Hoppes #9? If you are using copper bore brush, perhaps it's blue color coming from the bore brush?

Also, I had an old bottle of Hoppes #9 that was contaminated as I kept dipping dirty bore brushes in it. Now with my new bottles of Hoppes #9, I dispense the solvent from the bottle instead of dipping dirty bore brushes inside.

 

[vaalpens]

I have shot Berry's thick plated 9mm 115/124 gr HBRN-TP and thick plated RMR 9mm 100/115/124/147 gr HM RN/HP bullets in my pistols and have not seen blue color on cleaning patches when using Hoppes #9. In fact, I do not recall seeing any blue when shooting regular plated Berry's or other plated bullets (HSM, Power Bond, Rainier, Speer TMJ, Speer Gold Dot), just black fouling on cleaning patches that goes to clean.

For my carbine load testing, I am pushing RMR 100 gr HM RN to almost 1500 fps and 115 gr Berry's HBRN-TP/RMR HM RN to 1400 fps with 17" Just Right/16" PSA carbines and not seeing plating failure. Cleaning patches with Hoppes #9 just show black that turns to clear.

Could you perhaps try a new bore brush and see if you get blue color on cleaning patch with Hoppes #9? If you are using copper bore brush, perhaps it's blue color coming from the bore brush?

Also, I had an old bottle of Hoppes #9 that was contaminated as I kept dipping dirty bore brushes in it. Now with my new bottles of Hoppes #9, I dispense the solvent from the bottle instead of dipping dirty bore brushes inside.

bds, thanks for the comments.

I have never though of the source being the copper brush, but I will take note the next time. Regarding contaminated Hoppe's #9, I always just dip a clean patch in the Hoppe's. No double dipping.

The last time I saw blue, I saw it when I used the jag. Not sure if I used a brush before the jag or not.

 

[LiveLife]

If your bottle of Hoppes #9 is clean, then try a new bore brush and see if you get blue color on the patch cloth.

Who knows, perhaps your bore/rifling is rough and scraping copper off the plating.

My barrels are factory Glock/M&P/Sig 1911/Taurus PT145/TCP 738, Just Right 9mm/40S&W/45ACP carbines and PSA 9mm carbine along with several KKM and Lone Wolf barrels. All the barrels were "broken in" with several hundred rounds of factory and reloaded FMJ rounds. I use copper bore brushes with Hoppes #9 and no "blue color" on my patches, just black fouling after shooting copper plated bullets (mostly Berry's, RMR and X-Treme).

 

[Potatohead]

Hey while we're on the subject, are you supposed to wash the bronze brushes off after sending them through your barrel? I always want to but the time or two I've tried rinsing one a bit, it didn't appear to be doing much, no crud flushing off the brush or anything.

Also how clean is clean for a bbl? Seems like I can never get to the point where I put a patch through and it comes out white...or even almost white...or whitish. Frustrating. I totally gave up on getting the bbl clean on an old 22 rifle that my dad gave me a few years ago. He traded someone his bass guitar for it waaaay back in high school, which was most likely right around the same time the bbl was last cleaned.

 

[LiveLife]

I was taught in the Army to clean the barrel until patch cloth came out clean.

Been doing the same since.

For really dirty bore, I let solvent soak for a while.

 

[Walkalong]

I was taught in the Army to clean the barrel until patch cloth came out clean.

That's too much IMHO. Clean them reasonably well. No need for squeaky clean.

Then of course is the no cleaning pistol barrels at all theory.

http://www.schuemann.com/Portals/0/Documentation/Webfile_Barrel_Cleaning.pdf

 

[Toprudder]

The first powder I ever used, and that was in .40, was Power Pistol. It is still one of my favorites in that caliber and in 9mm. It downloads very well for reduced recoil, and still burns relatively clean.

BE86 is also one of my favorites, in 380, 9, 40, 45, 38spl.

VV 3N37 also worked very well for me, and very clean.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Honestly, I use W231 to load for both 9 and. 40

Me too, as well as .38 Special.

I have used several different powders for .40 with several different bullet weights, and various bullets including cast, plated and jacketed. W231/HP-38 is hands down my favorite.

 

[Reloadron]

Well be still my little heart. Since all of the good answers have been taken I will just say I hope this finds you and the family doing well and everything in your little corner of the world going well.

Ron