Why are celebrities so anti-gun?
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Owen Sparks
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Most liberal celebrates involved in acting or singing are highly emotional people. In order to succeed in acting one must be able to portray emotions. Liberalism is generally emotion based. Remember Bill Clinton retort in the '96 Presidential debate? He said "No attack ever fed a hungry child" To the logical straight forward mind of a conservative that statement just did not make sense, but to the emotion based thinker it was candy.
Conservatives think. Liberals feel.
Conservatives think. Liberals feel.
nwilliams
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I don't even know where to begin with a statement like this...
I am a photographer and graphic designer so I consider myself a little artsy, does that make me anti-gun, no. Also if you met me you may think I am a liberal since many of my political views are somewhat liberal. Saying a liberal is always anti-gun is a rash generalization that you can't prove. I have many shooting buddies that consider themselves extremely liberal and yet they support the 2nd. You don't have to be a republican to be pro-gun, I know quite a few republicans who are anti-gun.
As far as celebrities go, it really doesn't matter to me much. As long as they aren't on a mission to take away my rights then they have just as much right to an opinion as anyone else. It bothers me when celebrities try to use their influence to spread an anti-gun message but only a few of them seem to be trying to do that.
Does it really matter if there are anti-gun celebrities? NO. Why? Because we have Angelina on our side! Take that anti-gun celebs!!!
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Deanimator
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Are you kidding? Don't you know that the ability to play make believe and dress up gives weight to one's pronouncements that educational achievement or actual experience wouldn't?
Believe me, were I to have a pressing question of nuclear physics, I'd ask a true intellectual like Sean Penn instead of loser eggheads like Robert Oppenheimer or Leo Szilard...
Very well said sir. I think that is the genesis of the true difference between liberal and conservative. Sure we can not all be Mr. Spock all the time and let pure logic rule, but it should be the cornerstone by which issues are viewed. We are human and while emotion has its place it should not rule our laws nor trump our practical beliefs.
CountGlockula
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This dude is definitely pro gun:
Paul Walker
He's currently a member at a So Cal indoor range. 1911 guy with a Glock 23 on the side. He said that his dad pretty much raised him around guns in CA.
It comes from father to son type of influence. And he's been in a lot of movies where he plays a cop.
He's a down to earth dude also. Cool guy.
Paul Walker
He's currently a member at a So Cal indoor range. 1911 guy with a Glock 23 on the side. He said that his dad pretty much raised him around guns in CA.
It comes from father to son type of influence. And he's been in a lot of movies where he plays a cop.
He's a down to earth dude also. Cool guy.
I saw the same thing, I was so proud of her for stating unequivocally and without any fear or bias that she bought a pair of the same model USPs and that while she hopes the occasion will never arise, she is perfectly willing to use hers to protect herself and her family, and that she feels it is important (wasn't written that she said everyone, but what other meaning could she have had?) for people to be capable of defending themselves and their families. Didn't see any apologizing, any funny business just stated what she knows to be right, and what the real world and human history have shown to be right. Good for her, I always was under the impression she was an anti like most other hollywood types.
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You seriously think celebrity opinion is not important? Let me tell you, most Americans (and their kids, who are very impressionable) spend an insane amount of time watching TV, watching movies, and reading about celebrities and doing everything short of worshiping them. This means that the celebrities have a very high degree of influence over the population. If a popular movie star starts wearing something, the sales of that item skyrocket and it becomes trendy. If a rock star cuts his hair a certain way, thousands of kids will have their hair cut that way.
Similarly, when celebrities speak out on public issues, people listen.
Therefore, the opinion of celebrities influences a lot of people.
If only we had more celebrities like Heston to influence people in the other direction, it would be great.
Similarly, when celebrities speak out on public issues, people listen.
Therefore, the opinion of celebrities influences a lot of people.
If only we had more celebrities like Heston to influence people in the other direction, it would be great.
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i'm with Owen and Pilot on this one. People ruled by emotions tend to be anti gun.
Remember that Yoda quote?
"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
As for celebrities, I'd say because it's fashionable to be anti-gun, just like its fashionable to be leftist. They also seem to want to do something to confront a problem, but they do the wrong thing- like buying a Prius to fight the evils of global warming.
Problem is, once celebrities start doing something, other people catch on, and it becomes an epidemic. Like global warming- celebrities started popularizing it, and now there is so much BS and fearmongering that we don't know what's true and not.
Remember Lethal Weapon 3 (watch the first two, they're good, but the third is borderline rubbish) ?
Cop killer bullets? I'm pretty sure that was made in 1993. It convinved people that evidence rooms were full of Mac 10 full autos. One year later, we get the AWB.
Remember that Yoda quote?
"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
As for celebrities, I'd say because it's fashionable to be anti-gun, just like its fashionable to be leftist. They also seem to want to do something to confront a problem, but they do the wrong thing- like buying a Prius to fight the evils of global warming.
Problem is, once celebrities start doing something, other people catch on, and it becomes an epidemic. Like global warming- celebrities started popularizing it, and now there is so much BS and fearmongering that we don't know what's true and not.
Remember Lethal Weapon 3 (watch the first two, they're good, but the third is borderline rubbish) ?
Cop killer bullets? I'm pretty sure that was made in 1993. It convinved people that evidence rooms were full of Mac 10 full autos. One year later, we get the AWB.
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Yes sir. Life imitates art - it's true. Pop culture and movies exert a really powerful force upon people, good or bad.
highorder
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There are some great posts in this thread, but this drive-by gem offered the most entertainment:
Priceless.
Priceless.
Limeyfellow
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The old "they are so emotional!" response? Oh come of it. That been used way too often to demonise the opposition. Women vote? But they are so emotional! There is nothing to support such a claim that borders on prejudice and make the gunright's supporters look like idiots.
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Good to hear that.Hope Paul wears his pants up a little higher at the range though.
CountGlockula
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They actually photoshopped the image by adding his head to my body.
Dravur
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hmmmmm
First off.... who the heck is Paul Walker? Second of all... why do I care what a celeb thinks about the 2nd amendment?
I would no sooner look to Al Gore for climate information than to Sharon Stone for gun information. Various celebs have come out with all kinds of crackpot causes to give their lives meaning without knowing one whit about the subject. Wasn't it Ted Danson that said the oceans would be depleted in 10 yrs.... more than 20 yrs ago? I have watched "the Deadliest Catch". Those guys are pulling out so much crab, I drool just thinking about it.
If they earn my respect for their acting, great... If, like Charlton Heston, they earn my respect for their actions... even better.
But, honestly, who gives a wild carp about what Brittney Spears thinks...
First off.... who the heck is Paul Walker? Second of all... why do I care what a celeb thinks about the 2nd amendment?
I would no sooner look to Al Gore for climate information than to Sharon Stone for gun information. Various celebs have come out with all kinds of crackpot causes to give their lives meaning without knowing one whit about the subject. Wasn't it Ted Danson that said the oceans would be depleted in 10 yrs.... more than 20 yrs ago? I have watched "the Deadliest Catch". Those guys are pulling out so much crab, I drool just thinking about it.
If they earn my respect for their acting, great... If, like Charlton Heston, they earn my respect for their actions... even better.
But, honestly, who gives a wild carp about what Brittney Spears thinks...
CountGlockula
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Someone needs to watch TV.
Cosmoline
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Don't confuse liberalism with its modern leadership. True liberals do not support gun bans anymore than Thomas Jefferson did.
As far as Sillywood, the place is controlled by a cadre of producers and corporations who are for the most part elitist and don't want the great unwashed to be armed. The actors tend to ape the positions of their bosses whether they really believe them or not. With a tiny handful of exceptions, actors are not the bosses. They're just contract workers, and their next paycheck depends in large part on not making the money men angry. The same is doubly true for writers. The writer's guild is a small group and also apes the money men. I remember the writer for "The West Wing" on "Fresh Air" addressing the question of why they didn't have a fictional conservative President. He had to admit he would have no idea how to approach this since he could not fathom conservatism, and he noted that virtually all members of the writer's guild were also extremely liberal. You can count the exceptions on one or two hands, with Milius at the top of course.
Another example, I remember John Rhys-Davies after the Lord of the Rings films giving a number of talks where he essentially "came out" as a conservative. If you will note, Mr. Rhys-Davies was not invited to take part in the new Indiana Jones film. I don't know the details on this, but I do remember the actor on a talk show. A young struggling actor called in and said he, too, was conservative. Rhys-Davies stern, blut advice was to shut up about it if he wanted to work!
So when you boil it down "Hollywood" in this sense is really just a small group of old men who got their money and came of age as it were back in the 60's and 70's. All of whom know each other and share similar political views. In the 50's this was also true, but it was a different set of old men with a different political point of view. The current bunch will blacklist people just as quickly as the old bunch would. They're not elected, and not subject to term limits. Most people don't even know their names. But they run the whole show.
As far as Sillywood, the place is controlled by a cadre of producers and corporations who are for the most part elitist and don't want the great unwashed to be armed. The actors tend to ape the positions of their bosses whether they really believe them or not. With a tiny handful of exceptions, actors are not the bosses. They're just contract workers, and their next paycheck depends in large part on not making the money men angry. The same is doubly true for writers. The writer's guild is a small group and also apes the money men. I remember the writer for "The West Wing" on "Fresh Air" addressing the question of why they didn't have a fictional conservative President. He had to admit he would have no idea how to approach this since he could not fathom conservatism, and he noted that virtually all members of the writer's guild were also extremely liberal. You can count the exceptions on one or two hands, with Milius at the top of course.
Another example, I remember John Rhys-Davies after the Lord of the Rings films giving a number of talks where he essentially "came out" as a conservative. If you will note, Mr. Rhys-Davies was not invited to take part in the new Indiana Jones film. I don't know the details on this, but I do remember the actor on a talk show. A young struggling actor called in and said he, too, was conservative. Rhys-Davies stern, blut advice was to shut up about it if he wanted to work!
So when you boil it down "Hollywood" in this sense is really just a small group of old men who got their money and came of age as it were back in the 60's and 70's. All of whom know each other and share similar political views. In the 50's this was also true, but it was a different set of old men with a different political point of view. The current bunch will blacklist people just as quickly as the old bunch would. They're not elected, and not subject to term limits. Most people don't even know their names. But they run the whole show.
Cavalier Knight
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Ask Mr. Schwarzenegger the premise of firearms has made him millions of dollars so I would presume Cali has the best gun laws now...not even close.
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must define terms....
here's a crack at what I think when I hear the term liberal....
A liberal is a person who....
wants a government enacted social program to address every single problem known to humanity....
wants to absolve all people of any responsibility for their actions and shift blame onto some nebulous "system" or "da man" or race or gender or sexual orientation, etc., etc....
wants to pay for it all by taxing the socks off of the 'mythical' rich (also know as the productive people who suck it up when they encounter hardships and overcome to employ lots of liberals....only to have them use the government to enact their massive wealth redistribution program).
want to ban all moral virtues and replace them with "tolerance"....accept for when it comes to WASPs....they get to eat $h&^.
rejoices to see American soldiers get waxed, as long as it advances their Anti-Busch rhetoric.
hires a lawyer to sue the first person that moves whenever something goes wrong in their life.....because after all, they're not responsible for climbing on the high wire tower while drinking beer on crack.
that's what I mean when I say liberal....and most of these types are anti-2A.
if you call yourself a liberal and do not fit this description, then I'm not talking about you.
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here's a crack at what I think when I hear the term liberal....
A liberal is a person who....
wants a government enacted social program to address every single problem known to humanity....
wants to absolve all people of any responsibility for their actions and shift blame onto some nebulous "system" or "da man" or race or gender or sexual orientation, etc., etc....
wants to pay for it all by taxing the socks off of the 'mythical' rich (also know as the productive people who suck it up when they encounter hardships and overcome to employ lots of liberals....only to have them use the government to enact their massive wealth redistribution program).
want to ban all moral virtues and replace them with "tolerance"....accept for when it comes to WASPs....they get to eat $h&^.
rejoices to see American soldiers get waxed, as long as it advances their Anti-Busch rhetoric.
hires a lawyer to sue the first person that moves whenever something goes wrong in their life.....because after all, they're not responsible for climbing on the high wire tower while drinking beer on crack.
that's what I mean when I say liberal....and most of these types are anti-2A.
if you call yourself a liberal and do not fit this description, then I'm not talking about you.
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here are some reasons:
-alot of them grew up with the 'guns are bad' mentality, or fell victim to the media like alot of other normal average-income people. they could have had bad experiences, etc. etc.
-basic 'nobody needs a gun unless you're police or military' opinion. Alot of them arent hypocrites who own guns while saying that they dislike them. Alot of them just dont like guns, and wish for that utopian sciety that will never happen.
-they emphasize the 'need' argument in the elitist way. Since they are famous, they feel that they need a gun to protect themselves from crazies like ransomist kidnappers and the like, whereas you would count as one of the crazies that they refer to. To them, you can call the police or use a baseball bat, because you're not as close to the system like they are in terms of taxpaying and political activity, and therefore are not capable of handling the 'responsibility'.
-self-interest. Alot of them can just throw money at any problem that comes their way, and afford anything they want. They dont care about gas prices, healthcare, or the average person getting their guns taken away and having to pay draconian fees to retain the limited right, whereas the celeb can just pay the fees without batting an eye or feeling the pinch. All they care about is keeping their money. With that in mind, they'll be active in any way to get more money by earning more publicity, which explains why so many of them will say anything you tell them to if it comes with a check.
-alot of them grew up with the 'guns are bad' mentality, or fell victim to the media like alot of other normal average-income people. they could have had bad experiences, etc. etc.
-basic 'nobody needs a gun unless you're police or military' opinion. Alot of them arent hypocrites who own guns while saying that they dislike them. Alot of them just dont like guns, and wish for that utopian sciety that will never happen.
-they emphasize the 'need' argument in the elitist way. Since they are famous, they feel that they need a gun to protect themselves from crazies like ransomist kidnappers and the like, whereas you would count as one of the crazies that they refer to. To them, you can call the police or use a baseball bat, because you're not as close to the system like they are in terms of taxpaying and political activity, and therefore are not capable of handling the 'responsibility'.
-self-interest. Alot of them can just throw money at any problem that comes their way, and afford anything they want. They dont care about gas prices, healthcare, or the average person getting their guns taken away and having to pay draconian fees to retain the limited right, whereas the celeb can just pay the fees without batting an eye or feeling the pinch. All they care about is keeping their money. With that in mind, they'll be active in any way to get more money by earning more publicity, which explains why so many of them will say anything you tell them to if it comes with a check.
TCB in TN
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And quite a few "republicans" are too. Growing up I thought I was a moral and fiscal conservative, as I get older I find that while I still live my life as a moral conservative, I believe more and more in a libertarian social structure, and I am even MORE of a fiscal conservative today than during my youth.
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