Dare i say it i think something needs to be done firearm wise to keep people with severe mental health issues from owning a firearm. I work part time for a large hospital system and we train every 3 months for active shooter drills doing scenarios with the marker guns and 100-150rds on the range every 3 months. Well yesterday i walk in to a building surrounded by local PD, our guys, and I’m told a 20-30yo came in and said i need to speak to someone about mental health and proceeds to say that he has a shotgun in his car and is going to kill everyone in the ER along with himself. He was immediately detained by the previous shift to me and a pump shotgun was found along with multiple boxes of ammo hidden under a blanket in his car. I don’t judge people but you could look at the way he acted and talk to this guy and immediately tell something wasn’t right. When he got to the ER he immediately asked for an ER secretary by name, whome has never seen this guy before. Rumor is that it belongs to someone else. I see a lot of people dealing with mental health in both of my jobs and when asked if they have firearms or access to them its 95% a yes. I’ve always been against any stricter gun laws but thinking last night how he could have taken a lot of people out really got me thinking change is needed both in the medical world for mental health and firearms.
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AlexanderA
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Well there it is. There's your answer. There are more guns in America than there are people.
So, how would enhanced background checks be a solution, when there are already so many guns out there that wrongdoers have no problem getting them?
Sorry, but the problem is not amenable to legal changes.
Too dangerous. Can't be done without risking the very thing the 2A was designed to prevent.
Dare I say you are completely and utterly incorrect.
Life isn't risk free, you live and you take your chances. You are more likely to be killed in a car accident.
Our liberty isn't based on the Lowest common denominator and I'll not stand by while people like you try to volunteer my liberty away.
Life isn't risk free, you live and you take your chances. You are more likely to be killed in a car accident.
Our liberty isn't based on the Lowest common denominator and I'll not stand by while people like you try to volunteer my liberty away.
The solution is cultural, not governmental. There's nothing the government can do about it, other than to get out of the way.
Targa
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A member from another forum posted the following and he is spot on!
“Many of our problems with a variety of Mental Cases have been subverted by Court determinations decades ago to empty mental facilities and bolt the doors closed behind them. Meanwhile; the leftists slander those who seek t protect themselves and their families and neighbors as "Mentally Deranged". Just more of my same observations over the year. Politicans do not seek to resolve problems; rather to perpetuate their power and control over the population - while lining their own pockets at Taxpayer expense.”
I will add that more importantly, we as a nation better get back to the under God principles that this nation was founded under or nothing Is going to get better.
“Many of our problems with a variety of Mental Cases have been subverted by Court determinations decades ago to empty mental facilities and bolt the doors closed behind them. Meanwhile; the leftists slander those who seek t protect themselves and their families and neighbors as "Mentally Deranged". Just more of my same observations over the year. Politicans do not seek to resolve problems; rather to perpetuate their power and control over the population - while lining their own pockets at Taxpayer expense.”
I will add that more importantly, we as a nation better get back to the under God principles that this nation was founded under or nothing Is going to get better.
You guys think about it all wrong. Its not a post about taking liberties away its a post that certain people should not have access to firearms. When they were handing out free money the local gang bangers lined a local chain of gun stores smelling like marijuana and not a single person questioned it because all they were worried about was $. I also overheard a few straw purchases too. No one is trying to strip the 2a but something needs done. If you walk in and look like a nutcase it should be delayed at least. I tell ya some of this omg they gonna take away my rights gets a little old and extreme. Calm down tough guy nobody wants your remington 700 30-06 and the half box of ammo that goes with it. I would put $ that kid obtained said shotgun from a gun show because he had a bunch of Russian slugs to go with it and just talking to him you could tell he was way off in left field and even looking at him you could tell he was waiting to snap. I’ve never seen so much hatred in someones face before.
Steel Horse Rider
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The problem is with making the call. If this guy in Maine was admitted to a mental facility last summer and he was still able to legally purchase a gun the problem is in the system. Colorado has the "rat out your neighbor" law now and my neighbor who is a staunch leftist would be happy to call the police and report me as a threat to the community if he saw my collection. When the foundation of the system is not functioning you cannot keep adding layers to the top.
Tell us . . . .
Who are those "Certain People" ?
Who sets up the criteria ?
Who decides?
See also: https://www.aol.com/news/police-were-alerted-just-last-211053231.html
Details Matter when considering stripping Constitutional protections.
So do you think that guy should have a car? Sword? Pointy stick? Would you have this guy hanging out on your street where your kids play, as long as he could only obtain firearms illegally?
If someone is really going to kill people, they should probably be involuntarily committed. Just my opinion.
I’ll agree 100% the main issue is the facilities being closed but other than severely medicate there is nothing that can be done. My point was lets make it a little harder instead of you got the cash, here is a gun mentality. Yes, they will get from bad guys but it seems like its too easy to flip a gun. I see gun sales all the time on Facebook groups by some sketchy individuals. Especially when they are selling guns worth $600-800 for $200 and its yours.
Idk. I’m just tired of seeing innocent people getting killed.
Terry G
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Not gun related but a thought on the law. I just read than an individual was just arrested for the 23 rd time for driving after revocation. While we struggle about the effectiveness of this or that law it's good to keep in mind there millions of people that don't care one bit about breaking the law time and again.
I agree its a system issue and not a gun issue. Maybe attached to the background check the person has mental health issues and cannot purchase. Thats the entire point of this post.
A guy in a car drove head on and put an innocent 70yo woman in ICU because he wanted to kill himself and drove head on into her and others. Again, not a gun issue its lets not make it so easy for someone with problems to have weapons.
Before this gets closed because people wanna have absolute break downs when someone brings up any sort of limiting firearms. The point is that something needs done to stop people who have been deemed to have mental health issues from owning a firearm. I see it every day where a guy goes to court and the judge says surrender all firearms. Sir i don’t have any and he takes them on their word. PD then gets a call saying xyz didn’t turn in all the guns he said he had and now he’s threatening to kill his entire family. But, wait a minute he said he only had 1 handgun and it was turned in, come to find out he has 12 guns and also been in and out of mental wards.
What do you propose as a plan since you're claiming a problem needs to be addressed?
And what we're saying is that that's not possible if the spirit of the 2A is going to stand. It's whole purpose is to enable the people to keep the government in a perpetual state of fear. They can't do that if the government knows exactly who has what weapons. Governments are far more dangerous to the liberty and well being of the people than any single nutcase with a gun. It's a matter of which is the greater danger.
doubleh
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I believe you are wrong about that. You may not want them but the antis want every single firearm in America removed from anyone but the government. Their ultimate aim is not saving lives, it is about absolute power over everyone. Our forefathers knew that and it is why we have the 2nd amendment to prevent government tyranny. They saw first hand how a tryrant in charge worked and fought a war to free us from it.
I could go on a rant about the billions of dollars lavished on other governments that we waste instead of spending them on our own citizens. There is no reason for all the untreated mental health problems except for our government that would rather give our dollars to other countries than use it where it should be used, here in America. We have been buying good will with foreign nations as long as I can remember and most of those countries still hate us. Everyone has their hand out to America but only our citizens get pennies while dollars are handed out freely abroad..
We have laws already that if enforced would help a lot but they are not. Instead more laws that are the same as the older ones are pushed and they will be just as effective as the ones we now have and will only be used as an excuse to pass more.
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I’m not saying let them know who has what, i am 1000% against that. I’m saying if John Doe gets admitted to a mental hospital or any sort of mental health meds, severe issue, etc. his ability to own guns is gone.
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2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Dare I say we should let Darwin work his magic?
I've often added that the dangers of abrogating the Second Amendment far outweigh the dangers in leaving it alone.
But of course neither of these are emotional arguments and hence have no weight.
Terry, 230RN
Voluntarily or involuntarily committed? Lose access to firearms until some (to be defined process) decides they are “safe”.
Identified by medical authority as having serious mental issues? Same treatment.
Identified as either of the above? A physical search of their premises - don’t rely on their “confessions” or denials about firearms.
I can’t remember a single incident where the shooter wasn’t known to someone ahead of time…whether professional, friends, or family. If people would act on what they know or suspect, then 75% or more of these incidents would be nipped in the bud.
Unfortunately, that requires an investment in mental health infrastructure that no one seems willing to make. Maybe that’s intentional - you can’t try to limit the Second Amendment if clinical assets are solving the problem.
Identified by medical authority as having serious mental issues? Same treatment.
Identified as either of the above? A physical search of their premises - don’t rely on their “confessions” or denials about firearms.
I can’t remember a single incident where the shooter wasn’t known to someone ahead of time…whether professional, friends, or family. If people would act on what they know or suspect, then 75% or more of these incidents would be nipped in the bud.
Unfortunately, that requires an investment in mental health infrastructure that no one seems willing to make. Maybe that’s intentional - you can’t try to limit the Second Amendment if clinical assets are solving the problem.
That's a perfect example of why the system of allowing dangerous people to run loose is a bad idea.
Your right to feel safe doesn't trump my right to own a firearm.
If you think I'm a danger to society, don't make me spend $50 on a transfer. Lock me up. It's ridiculous to think that an adult doesn't have the capacity to kill someone, and that a slight impediment to obtaining a particular type of weapon is going to save lives.
The only reason to require background checks is to make people without critical thinking skills feel safer.
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