Bad decision from 10th Circuit i.c.w. 2nd Amendment

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From Clayton Cramer's Blog (http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/blogger.html), Friday, March 26, 2004:

Tenth Circuit Decision On The Second Amendment

U.S. v. Parker (10th Cir. 2004) is out. Some of this won't be surprising; some of it has some twists that I haven't seen before. Once again, we are reminded that most federal judges need to be replaced.

What makes this case especially interesting is that the defendant was prosecuted under federal law for violating a Utah gun control law. I don't know when this federal law was passed, but something called "Assimilative Crimes Act (ACA), 18 U.S.C. § 13" makes it a federal crime to violate a state gun control law on a federal military reservation--even though that military reservation (in this case, Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah) is not actually part of the state of Utah. In this case, defendant Parker drove into Dugway Proving Grounds with a loaded revolver under the seat of his truck. A random search of his truck (not surprising, post-9/11) found the revolver. He claimed to have forgotten that it was there--a plausible claim. Parker was convicted in federal court.

On appeal, Parker argued that the federal law violates both the Second Amendment (right to keep and bear arms) and Tenth Amendment (reserving to the states authority to regulate gun ownership). The Court of Appeals decided that the Second Amendment does not protect an individual right, based on both previous Tenth Circuit precedents that have taken (wrongly) U.S. v. Miller (1939) as the authoritative statement, and based on the preponderance of other circuits that have taken this view. They decided that the Fifth Circuit's decision in USA v. Emerson (5th Cir. 2001) really shouldn't be followed.

One could still make a case that U.S. v. Miller (1939) doesn't allow such a prosecution:

Miller has been interpreted by this court and other courts to hold that the Second Amendment does not guarantee an individual the right to keep and transport a firearm where there is no evidence that possession of that firearm was related to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia.

The decision goes to make the highly arguable statement:

Third, putting aside the fact that Miller requires that a party have some connection to a state-run militia, even the Fifth Circuit’s most narrow interpretation of Miller does not support Parker’s claim. To the extent Miller only stands for the rule that a sawed-off shotgun is not a military firearm and therefore not covered by the Second Amendment, Parker has presented no evidence that his revolver would come within the category of arms used by the military. To the contrary, at trial, Officer Michael Palhegyi, who was part of the military police unit that took Parker into custody, testified that Parker’s firearm was “not considered a military grade weapon†and, instead, more commonly was used for personal defense or target practice.

Whoops! It was not that many years ago that the United States Air Force commonly issued .38 revolvers to flight crews, and at one time, even USAF security details used them.

Judge Kelly wrote a dissenting opinion in which he agreed with everything the majority said--except concerning the Second Amendment:

Concerning the Second Amendment, I would affirm the conviction by simply noting that the obvious purpose of this prosecution–restricting concealed weapons on a military base to identified military personnel–is a reasonable restriction and thus does not contravene the Second Amendment. I write separately because I disagree with the analysis in the court’s opinion and because neither Supreme Court nor Tenth Circuit precedent relied upon by the this court adequately addresses the question asked and answered: “Whether a federal prosecution pursuant to the ACA [Assimilative Crimes Act] for violating a state gun control statute violates an individual’s Second Amendment rights.â€

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Although the Supreme Court has twice stated that the Second Amendment does not apply to States because it is solely a limitation on national power, Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 265 (1886); United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, 553 (1875); 2 Ronald D. Rotunda & John E. Nowak, Treatise on Constitutional Law–Substance and Procedure § 14.2 at 520 n.4 (3d ed. 1999); see also State v. Vlacil, 645 P.2d 677, 680 (Utah 1982) & id. at 681 n.1 (Oaks, J., concurring), the State provision in this case is being enforced on a federal enclave by the federal government. See Lewis v. United States, 523 U.S. 155, 160, 162 (1998) (discussing function and application of Assimilative Crimes Act).


After pointing out that the Emerson decision had raised some significant and legitimate questions--without denying that reasonable restrictions (such as the one involved in this case) could be imposed without insisting on a "collective rights" theory, Judge Kelly observed:

Like this court, the Fifth Circuit recognized reasonable restrictions on the Second Amendment right are constitutional. This case also can be decided on that narrow basis–there is no need to dilute prematurely what many consider to be one of the most important amendments to the United States Constitution.
 
Well, I'm in the Army, and I've been on a fair number of military installations in this country, and every single one of them has/had multiple signs at every entrance gate stating that concealed weapons are not allowed on post, even for military personnel. Exceptions are sometimes made for CID personnel when they need to carry concealed as part of their job.

As for the revolver not being a military weapon, Army Field Manual 22-5, Drill and Ceremony, still has a section on performing Inspection Arms with a revolver. Now, I've never seen any soldier issued one, but it's not totally outside the realm of possibility, especially with the Spec Ops crowd.
 
The court is wrong. It is an individual right. Was the gun "concealed" on his person or under the seat? Seems that one is a concealed weapon and the other is improper transport.

Anyway, this is just another reminder that the laws are stacked against all of us. No matter what we do, we can run afoul of any number of the volumes of laws out there and be prosecuted to the full extent.

In this case, this all could have been handled immediately. Unload, escort off the grounds, return revolver, with a reminder not to do it again. Real simple. I do not understand these people that must make it real complicated. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 
Langenator,
Prior to the adoption of the M9 and M11, the Army issued several types of revolvers. Mostly to aircrew and CID.

Jeff
 
I get the feeling a man could be carrying an M9, and it would be ruled not to be "military grade" if it had a 10 round handicapped mag. :rolleyes: You get in trouble for not having a "protected militia weapon", but you try having one of those "military grade weapons" and you go to jail for violating the law. Only military weapons (M249, M4, etc) are protected by the 2nd Amendment, but owning them is against the law. How the #%$& does that one work? Damned if you do, damned if you don't... :fire: :cuss: :banghead:

As 7.62FMJ pointed out, this could have been a very simple, "Sir, law says you can't have that here. Be careful next time! Have a nice day!"
 
Like this court, the Fifth Circuit recognized reasonable restrictions on the Second Amendment right are constitutional. This case also can be decided on that narrow basis–there is no need to dilute prematurely what many consider to be one of the most important amendments to the United States Constitution.

Key lanuage there.

WildsoonthatsthewaytheSupswilldecideAlaska
 
Like this court, the Fifth Circuit recognized reasonable restrictions on the Second Amendment right are constitutional. This case also can be decided on that narrow basis–there is no need to dilute prematurely what many consider to be one of the most important amendments to the United States Constitution.
And I have no doubt which side of the debate will then claim a monopoly on what constitutes a reasonable restriction.

Sad to see another American dragged through our criminal justice system for the firearms equivalent of a moving violation. :barf:
 
They decided that the Fifth Circuit's decision in USA v. Emerson (5th Cir. 2001) really shouldn't be followed.
See how easy that is?

Argument means little if one wears a black robe.

Rick
 
From:

http://geekwitha45.blogspot.com/2004_03_21_geekwitha45_archive.html#108031311960561749

A Reminder...


There's nothing I hate more than shambling out to my office in the morning and reading a reminder that (most of) the circuit courts are not our friends.

Jed got wind of a 10th Circuit court 2A ruling (PDF) that repeats the errors derived from tortured readings of Miller et al, and comes down in favor of the collectivist fantasy, which seems to hold sway only at the level of the circuit courts, and the hearts and hopes of the gun bigots.

While there is really nothing new in this ruling, the deepest danger is of course, that each reaffirmation of these errors etches them more deeply into the legal stone works.

Equally vile is their ruling on 10A standing based on the *Costle case, holding that

"private plaintiffs do not have standing to bring Tenth Amendment
claims when their interests are not aligned with the state’s interests",

which essentially eleminates the phrase " or to the people" from that amendment, interpreting 10A as being entirely about state soveriegnty, with the interests of the people rendered moot in the face of the interest of the state.


Finally, there is a weak dissension by Judge Kelley, which is better than no dissent at all. He concludes that the case at hand could have, and therefore ought to have been concluded narrowly so as to avoid prematurely diluting 2A.

That the other justices choose to rule broadly rather than narrowly tells us pretty clearly where their heads are.

I've said this before, and I sadly see nothing here to change my mind:

Activist Judges who wish to support an agenda can always do so by misconnecting the dots, or by scrutinizing documents for stray punctuation. Each time they do this, they etch that misconnected path into the stone, and create the path of least resistance for subsequent rulings, until it becomes well worn. Eventually, you'll need a true hero of a Judge who will buck the path of least resistance and sandblast the rock clean.

Despite the progress and victories being made, it's a rude slap in the face too early in the morning to remind us that the situation remains dire.



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*This appears to be another of those tortured precedents. In Costle, a private citizen wanted to raise an issue, and the State did not want that issue raised. The state filed a brief to that effect, and the courts said "fine", the State had more standing in that case than the citizen to raise the issue, and if the State doesn't want to argue it, that's hunky dory. Subsequently, this has morphed into this sort of bizarre "default" assertion that a citizen must therefore show how their interests align with the states interest before having standing. What this discounts, of course, are cases where the interest of the Person and the state diverge.
 
Good post, Geek. One thing I don't understand, though - is it Constitutional for a state to strictly "regulate" speech and other such things, since court cases have said they can put such restrictions on the 2A?

I'm all for decreased federal government, but state-level government isn't always a bed of roses, either.
 
The Militia of the United States is comprised of:

(a) The Organized Militia – defined to mean the National Guard.
(b) The Unorganized Militia – defined to include the rest of us between the ages of 17 through 44 who are male citizens of the United States, and individuals of those ages who have declared they intend to become citizens – and all of both who are not specifically exempted.

Members of the Unorganized Militia are expected to provide their own arms, but neither statute nor regulation proscribe exactly what these weapons shall be.

Revolvers are still used in various military establishments, they have been used during the recent past by the U.S. Military, and nothing in their design or function precludes them from being Militia weapons within the broad definitions that are necessary considering the context of weapons used to arm the Unorganized Militia.

The court is full of bull ….
 
Said the Esteemed Court:
To the extent Miller only stands for the rule that a sawed-off shotgun is not a military firearm and therefore not covered by the Second Amendment,
--heavy sigh--

The USSC made no such ruling in Miller. Instead, since there were only federal government prosecuting attorneys making argument before the court, they didn't bother to help the Court come to "judicial notice" that short-barreled shotguns were, indeed, used by soldiers.

What the Court actually did was say that since it could not come to such a conclusion, it asked the lower Court to do so, which, as far as I did, the lower Court never did since Miller was dead and his pardner copped a plea.

Are the Justices of the 9th and 10th really that dumb or do they think it is in their advantage to have us think they are?

Rick
Puzzled by Repetition
 
Mulliga wrote:

One thing I don't understand, though - is it Constitutional for a state to strictly "regulate" speech and other such things, since court cases have said they can put such restrictions on the 2A?

No (at least as current jurisprudence goes). Mulliga, welcome to the whacky world of the 14th Amendment. See http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/incorp.htm

(The First Amendment has been "fully incorporated." The Second Amendment has not. )
 
The court is full of bull ….


Yep, I agree.

Problem is, the "17 to 44 y.o. males are the militia" argument is so foreign to the huge majority of Americans, it will never fly - no matter what the law says.

Add in activist judges with their "living Constitution" and forget it.

(Though it seems to me that its only a "living Constitution" when it comes to overturning "outdated" things that the Founding Fathers believed. Modern "progressive" things are all guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.:cuss: ).
 
Grayhound:

I agree with your observations, and most of the others posted here - especially concerning Miller.

But the court, any court, is supposed to take notice of current statutes contained within the United States Code. Unless for some reason they are found to be unconstitutional they are to be respected, as they are the duly enacted "law of the land."

Maybe part of the problem is that these issues are never brought before the court(s) by lawyers representing the defendants. They simply wave the 2nd. Amendment flag without going into detail. I doubt that the Unorganized Militia ever got mentioned.
 
Old Fuff,


Maybe part of the problem is that these issues are never brought before the court(s) by lawyers representing the defendants. They simply wave the 2nd. Amendment flag without going into detail. I doubt that the Unorganized Militia ever got mentioned.

It's been mentioned many a time. For example from U.S. v. Hale:
Since the Miller decision, no federal court has found any individual's possession of a military weapon to be "reasonably related to a well regulated militia." "Technical" membership in a state militia (e.g., membership in an "unorganized" state militia) or membership in a non-governmental military organization is not sufficient to satisfy the "reasonable relationship" test. Oakes, 564 F.2d at 387. Membership in a hypothetical or "sedentary" militia is likewise insufficient. See Warin, 530 F.2d 103.
 
And in the cases where membership in the National Guard _ is_ brought up, they shoot it down because the firearm at hand isn't an issued duty weapon.....
 
The legal system would be laughable if it wasn't to dangerous. These judges spout off ridiculous statements and offer no reasonable or historical basis for their interpretation.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.":(
 
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