Baer 1911 9mm extraction

[jblackfish]

I have a Baer Premier II in 9mm that I shot for the second time in an IDPA match yesterday. The pistol functions fine and, after shooting .45 caliber for over a year, shooting the 9mm is like taking a vacation at a match.

One thing that's different about this pistol (and it's the only 9mm in 1911 that I own) is that although it extracts/ejects fine but, at the end of a stage for "unload and show clear" when I drop the magazine and pull the slide back to remove the round from the chamber, it pulls the round and always drops it out the bottom through the magazine well.

When I got home I removed the slide assembly and attempted the "extractor round hold" tension test. The extractor has a large gap between it and the breech face - measurement not taken, didn't feel the need - that it couldn't hold a round to do any tension test.

My questions: Is this typical for a 9mm 1911 or do you guys who have 9mm 1911's have the capability to hold a round with the slide assembly removed and do the "normal' tension test? ...or, could this be the way all Baer 9mm 1911's function? Any comments?

 

[Blue68f100]

Not normal, should still hold the round. I would add tension to it just like a 45.

 

[Jim Watson]

My Colt and SA 9 emm ESPs clear out the ejection port.
But the SA had to have a new extractor fitted to do it.
Yours might, too.

If it SHOOTS normally, you could leave it alone.
Mine didn't, so I couldn't.

 

[jblackfish]

I think I'm going to try to adjust the tension on the extractor to see if that helps. That's an easy thing to do and, if it doesn't work, I'll find a "Plan B."

I can't imagine it being that simple - you'd think that something like extractor tension (and extraction/ejection in general) would be checked in a quality control test before letting a custom gun out of the shop but who knows? It might fix it - stranger things have happened and sometimes the easiest, overlooked thing is the answer.

 

[jblackfish]

To correct myself, I made an error in my statement in the OP. The (too large) gap causing the extractor to not hold a round wasn't from the extractor claw to the breech face (front to back) - the gap was from the inside edge of the extractor to the "left hand breech face guide block" (side to side.)

I adjusted the tension on the extractor a little to the point that the gun with the slide assembly off will hold a live round and pass the "shake" test just fine - it didn't take much adjustment.

Still, when I reassembled the gun it drops a round out the bottom with the magazine removed. (Those of you who shoot IDPA will know why we do this at the end of a stage to show the SO "clear" before holstering the pistol.)

I'm gonna live with the characteristic. It's not causing a problem in an otherwise perfectly functioning pistol. Evidently it's common to some 9mm's and that's OK with me. Thanks for the comments and info.

 

[Blue68f100]

Is the round being held against the breach face or away. I've been working on a LB Stinger and the extractor was bent in such a way it pushed the brass away. The nose was hitting the brass. The hole for the extractor was over size and who ever bent it, bent it from the middle forward. I had to straighten it then bend it right. Now it's working fine.

 

[jblackfish]

As is turns out there was nothing wrong with my Premier II at all. I've learned since setting up this thread on this issue that this is fairly common for 9mm and .38 Super rounds. Here's why as explained by 1911Tuner:
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"When you slide a case under the extractor with the slide off, it stays where you leave it...vertically...on the breechface. When you manually extract a round from the chamber, the barrel drops and pulls the case down...below the spot where you leave it with the slide off/without the barrel...and the round will fall through the magwell. This is why I caution against cutting the bevel in the tensioning wall too far into the wall, or it'll do the same thing with a .45 pistol, except the mechanics are different.

Again...the 9mm/.38 Super extractor doesn't function exactly like the .45 extractor.

And don't over bend the extractor trying to keep it from dropping a round through the magwell. It won't work and will likely cause some other problems."
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It all makes perfect sense when stated by someone with the expertise to explain it.