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Freedom_fighter_in_IL wrote:

Flint, little off the track here but it is very easy to look up the canned hunts to which I referred. In Google search, simply type into the search "100% Guaranteed success white tail deer hunt" and you will see a LOT of them pop up.
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Yes, I understand completely what you are/were referring to, you made that abundantly clear in your first post, (it wasn't lost on me) so I don't know why you continue to labor the point. We are talking about two separate things here. (neither of which relate to baiting, sorry mods). :eek:


For ANY place to 100% guarantee success, well you figure out the logistics for that.
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Correct, however my response to the person who cited the link...simply points out that they do NOT guarantee you a KILL, only that the animal you select will be in the enclosure (300 acres) AND that your hunt will be kept confidential. Not exactly...the definition of a "canned hunt" for most folks, though I would not personally partake of such an event.


You have hunted deer and hog almost as long as I have so you know where I am going with that.
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Yes, I've hunted various animals....for 45 yrs. now, not new the game...nor are you.
 
That part of Texas bounded by US 90 from San Antonio to Del Rio on the north and a line from San Antonio to Brownsville on the east is pretty much the "Brasada": The brush country. Head-high mesquite, prickly pear, catclaw, miscellaneous sticky stuff and other brush. Not all that many trees that are really all that big for climbing, except along the few creeks and not many rivers.

Catclaw is really fun stuff, if you like to bleed, and if you want to discover that rip-stop nylon isn't. (Sorta like my country, where folks learn the hard way that all-terrain radial tires aren't.)

Eight or nine million acres, mas o menos. Mostly gently rolling country.

Standing on the ground, you can figure a shooting distance of as much as, oh, maybe ten yards. Squatting or sitting, maybe twenty--sometimes. Yeah, there are open areas, but they're usually the product of two dozers pulling a few hundred feet of a ship's anchor chain.

And that's why folks hunt from high stands over bait, or drive along jeep trails while sitting up in a high seat in the back of a pickup. Nobody ever said that Mama Nature wanted life to be easy.
 
No problem Flint, just wanted to be sure you knew that I in no way was referring to the MANY quality high fenced operations that are run in Texas. Hell there are a few of them that have acreage fenced that would encompass more acreage than a lot of COUNTIES in most states.

Art is dead on as usual. As I stated earlier, there are many parts of Texas and a few other states that would make hunting 99% impossible without the use of feeders and baited scendaros. Those that cry about it have never experienced catsclaw or briars that look more like railroad spikes than plant stickers! You have Russian tumbleweed, Catsclaw, Christs Thorn (Some NASTY stuff right there), Starthistle, just to name a few of the HUNDREDS of vines and bushes that will turn you into a bloody mess without body armor.

If you want to go stalking through that mess, please let your loved ones know so that they may have medical personnel ready with a good blood supply in your blood type ready.
 
(Sorta like my country, where folks learn the hard way that all-terrain radial tires aren't.)
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ROFL. When I had that 15,000 acre lease in Pumpville, I bought a set of used wheels off a Toyota 4x4 similar to mine. I took the old chrome wheels, which were rusting, and tossed the old tires on 'em, bought new ones for the new wheels. I drove or pulled this truck out to Pumpville each season and practiced at least ONE pit stop tire change EVERY trip. I cut 'em on rocks, but usually punched spike like thrones through 'em. Damned rugged out there. :D

You shoulda seen the tires on the ranch patrolman's (worked for the club) ATV. He had one rip that musta had 50 plugs in it. It musta had a pound or two of plugs total in it and the other tires as well. Every morning, he'd air up his flat tires to go fill and/or maintain the feeders and stands and such. Just part of life in the trans-pecos. :D

BTW, I mostly hunted spot and stalk out there or just by sitting on a dry wash that held lots of brush and, therefore, game. the draws tend to concentrate the game out there as it's the only place there's cover. I did hunt a feeder there once and took a doe to go with my nice buck I took a few days before sitting on a dry wash. The way that place was managed, we were allowed one buck and one doe per trip. I was always trying to get someone interested in driving the draws out there, but never could get a drive up. It would have been a good hunting strategy for that terrain methinks.
 
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I had a friend bring a buck back here that he had shot somewhere in that Texas thicket. The taxidermist raised hell at him because of all the thorns in the deer stabbing his fingers trying to cape and mount it.
 
Freedom_fighter_in_IL wrote:

If you want to go stalking through that mess, please let your loved ones know so that they may have medical personnel ready with a good blood supply in your blood type ready.
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Yup, these will just get you “started”, nothing close to an all-inclusive list!
There is a REASON we bulldoze Senderos through the Brush Country and bait the deer.

Mesquite, Catclaw acacia, whitebrush, blackbrush, granjeno
Chollo
Dumpling Cactus
Glory of Texas
Guapilla
Horse Crippler
Night-blooming Cereus
Petite Ladyfinger
Pincussion Cactus
Runyon's Escobaria
Spanish Dagger
Texas Prickly Pear
Fishhook Cactus
 
Zero, its easy to spot a South Texas deer. Just peel the hide back on any leg and you will find Prickly Pear Cactus spines lined up vertically under the skin.

Older deer especially... have a "lining" of the fine spines that work there way in...and eventually line up (mostly) up and down with the leg. They won't usually be the large spines (unless just deposited), just small, fine spines.
 
Not sure how this thread went from baiting to Texas. As long as were there can I get a chili relleno con papas like they make at the truckstop in midtown ElPaso?
 
probably because there are some great folks from texas on the thread that don't care for people telling them that their way of hunting isn't "keeping it realz" enough....
 
Well the topic was baiting and there's some great people from all over on this thread. Had it been "baiting in Texas" that would be different. I love Texas and spent a good deal of time in the Navy and as a civilian there but suddenly the "high fence" issues seemed to gravitate to Texas. There are good folks from all over the world on all of these forums....don't pander
 
Well, the topic is baiting and the corn feeder is king in Texas. We don't have the public land that Oregon or Washington state do and our ethics are different, hunting and otherwise. Seems to me the NW is home of PETA and the granola cruncher crowd, too, so I take their "ethics" with a grain of salt, thanks. This thread sorta reflects regional differences if nothing else. That's not off topic, actually speaks to the topic.
 
I got lost looking for Luckenbach (who doesn't) pretty wild country and lots of deer. I've also been on the King ranch. Interesting country. There is a reason most people live East of the Mississippi or along the coastal regions. There's a lot of hard to get around country in the West from Minnesota to Central Texas and beyond.
 
There are good folks from all over the world on all of these forums....don't pander
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Want diverse? I was born and raised in Tennessee, in the service for a good many years traveling all over the world, after service have lived in Kansas, Colorado, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and now the socialist state of Illinois. Hunted in damn near every state in the country for one critter or another so I do know a small bit about the traditions and hunting ethics across the country. I brought Texas up for the exact reason MCgunner said. They are the feeder capital of the country and with damn good reason.

Some are also neglecting the GOOD that these feeders do in the off season months for the deer herds as well. Some of these people with feeders are providing nutrition year round for these deer at their OWN cost. There are a good many deer that would not have made it through various natural letdowns such as drought had it not been for the hunters putting out food for them.

Hows about some of you hypocrites get off your soap boxes and try to look at how SOME people, not all as you will have bad apples in almost every basket, have to use bait to even SEE a deer. Let alone harvest one. Not all places are like South Eastern Pa or Northern Kentucky or South Western Illinois.
 
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Look here pard, if you read my responses to this thread and still want to call me a hypocrite, do it...your right this whole baiting thread is really a Texas issue my bad.
 
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