Banning guns in SF, CA

[Colt]

Movement To Ban Firearms In San Francisco

By Carolyn Tyler

Nov. 2 - When you go to the polls one week from today, state propositions aren't the only measures some voters face. There are local issues as well. In San Francisco, voters will decide whether to try to ban guns in the city.

Pat Barsetti owns a Smith and Wesson.

Pat Barsetti, gun owner: "This has always given me a sense of protection."

She would be forced to give up her gun if Proposition H passes.

Four San Francisco supervisors put the measure on the ballot. It prohibits "residents from possessing handguns" in the city and bans "the manufacture, distribution, sale and transfer of firearms and ammunition" in the city.

Chris Daly is the chief sponsor, motivated in part by the shooting death of 15-year-old Scharod Fleming outside a Tenderloin YMCA last year.

Chris Daly, San Francisco supervisor: "If we can get handguns, some of the handguns out of the hands of some of the criminals, then we'll make a small dent in some of the homicides and that is the intent of this legislation."

Was the 15-year-old shot by a legally possessed firearm or an illegally possessed firearm? That information is strangely absent from this bleeding heart liberal's appeal.

As usual, all this will do is take guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens. Criminals will still have weapons, and now they'll have defenseless victims.

Bravo.

 

[Punkermonkey]

When will they ever learn?

 

[Zundfolge]

San Francisco is just jealous that Washington DC is the murder capital of America ... I imagine they've got "San Francisco: Murder Capital" t-shirts printed up for when (if?) this passes.

 

[rick_reno]

Have there been any polls done on this ballot measure? I'm curious, does it have the proverbial snowballs chance of passing?

 

[Punkermonkey]

Dosn't California have state premption over gun law's?

 

[Hawk]

IIRC, SF had a previous ban overturned.

The new proposal is supposed to do an end-around pre-emption by not affecting anyone other than the residents. A legally held handgun could still be transported through by a non-resident.

At least I think that was how it was supposed to work. Pretty convoluted reasoning as I recall. Made my head hurt.

 

[Colt]

The more I read things like this, the more infuriating it becomes that the media never asks the following question:

- How many of the "gun crimes" being used to fuel each ballot initive were commited by citizens legally in possession of firearms?

When there were 8 shooting deaths in Philadelphia last January, the first thing bonehead Mayor Street did was call for an end to CCW licenses being issued and/or honored within city limits. None of the victims were killed by CCW holders. All the shooters were in criminal possession of the firearms used.

But instead of going after the criminals, his solution was to attempt to disarm the law-abiding citizens of the city. Take away their ability to defend themselves from the criminals he couldn't (wouldn't) stop.

Luckily, Rendell (who is another PA politician I despise) clued in Street that he was insane. There are no city-by-city restrictions in PA.

 

[bg]

Two of the most ultra left papers have come out against Prop H.
Hard to believe, but tis so...>

No on Proposition H

Proposition H would ban almost all private possession of handguns by San Francisco residents within city limits. Exceptions would be made for people who require guns for professional purposes, such as police officers, security guards and members of the military.

This proposition also would prohibit the sale, manufacture, distribution or transfer of all firearms and ammunition within

The City.

The use of guns in crimes is far too prevalent and gun violence is far too common in San Francisco. But Prop. H would not be an effective or appropriate means of preventing violent crime. These difficulties should be addressed by better enforcement of existing laws and better regulation of firearms — not a blanket ban, particularly one that affects such a small geographical area and is likely to be challenged in court as a violation of state law.

In addition, it is possible that once residents gave up their handguns, San Francisco would be seen as an easy hunting ground for criminals who have no intention of giving up their own pistols.

Voters should turn down this proposition

Proposition H - NO

Prohibits Possession Of Handguns In San Francisco
We are all for ending violence in the communities and the City. And some parts of the City desperately need some policy changes soon to address the violence. We are also opposed to the gun shows at the Cow Palace, which profit from making guns available and the continuation of violence. Part of this proposal already exists on the books, though, and the new part outlaws handguns for anyone who’s not a police officer, security guard or member of the military. This bill will mainly send handguns underground, making it harder to regulate them. People who plan on using guns for illegal purposes aren’t going to worry much about this law.

We would love to see a real campaign to end violence in the communities, which would mean improving the living standards in the affected communities – creating jobs for community residents rather than gentrifying the place. To stop the violence, implement Proposition F that we put on the ballot in 2000, which would have returned tax revenues to underserved communities, provided credits to local businesses and long-term homeowners to keep more income in the community and allowed for community control of development.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/articles/2005/11/01/opinion/20051101_op01_editorial.txt
http://www.sf-frontlines.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=905

 

[whm1974]

Question, how does SF plan on enforcing this? I would imagen that most gun owners will ignore this.

-Bill

 

[Guns_and_Labs]

Evidently Chris Daly is going to provide tips, and maybe a bounty.

 

[GregGry]

"If we can get handguns, some of the handguns out of the hands of some of the criminals,

Banning hand guns will only take the guns away from law abiding citizens. Why do they not see that? It will make a criminals job easier.

 

[mussi]

Proposition H sounds to me like Preparation H.

 

[Valkman]

Dosn't California have state premption over gun law's?

You're kidding, right? I think you meant Nevada, where that is true.

 

[Standing Wolf]

I find I don't miss the temperate climate and beaches as much as I used to.

 

[The_Antibubba]

That's because, Standing Wolf, that there is nothing whatsoever in the state that is in any way "temperate". Not anymore.