Barrel Break-in

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Other then match / target barrels.

Give it a good pre fire cleaning and shoot it like you stole it. Lets talk about the average range queen or hunting rifle, which is what most of us use. Do you think a grunt in the armed forces does the famous witch doctor new barrel dance & cleaning when he's given a new rifle....No. But he still can hit a man sized target at 500 yards with open sights. I guess it comes down to what type of rifle and shooting you plan on doing. But no can argue about good cleaning practices.
 
Win71
Mcmillan's record from 1973 still stands.
I believe gale passed away in 2000.
 
Well taliv my newest barrel did not foul for the first 20 shots. So how would cleaning it between shots have made a difference? You break a barrel in by shooting it not by brushing it.
 
i just went through this haveing a new barrel installed. what you have sounds about right. the one thing i might add, is if it is a very high powered round (300 ultra mag vs. 223) i would let the heat of the barrel itself guide me, in stead of a clock. it is a lot of work to do this. but in the long run, i believe it will make a difference. as to the idea of shots wasted on barrel break in = less shots until the barrel has to be replaced. i do not go along with it. while the statement is true, the tens of thousands of rounds that a modern barrel will last, the break in rounds will hardly count towards. they would be like .01% or less of the usefull life of the barrel. on your solvent choice, make sure it has something that will remove copper (like hoppes no. 9 BENCH REST solvent), anything that says copper solvent or removes copper will do. if nothing else, you can use straight ammonia, but be sure to keep the time under a few minutes of soaking. getting the barrel free of copper between rounds is what you are trying to do. smearing copper into the bore will not help in smoothening out the rough spots! good luck, and take your time. the gun will last you, and your kids the rest of their lives.
 
the gun will last you, and your kids the rest of their lives.

And this is why after reading up on it, and reading the opinions here, I'm going to follow the originally listed procedure.

Thank you all for the insight.

-Peter
 
Lots of different opinions,it's a good thing everyone doesn't like the same thing ,everyone would want my wife.
The procedure that you have written is very close to what I do,and it works for me.
TGR
 
Taliv

Win71
Mcmillan's record from 1973 still stands

That is remarkable, for several reasons, including, no doubt, a rifle with one of his best barrels.
 
yes jerkface, your logic is unassailable. krieger is just a used car salesman lying to us all because he wants a 10 month backlog instead of a 6 month backlog of orders.
Krieger says "So when we break in a barrel, our goal is to get the throat polished without allowing copper to build up in the bore."

But where is the logic in this? If the goal is to polish the throat, why do we clean the bore? The bore has nothing to do with the throat. The goal isn't to polish the bore, that is what the hand lapping has done. So what do we accomplish? 10 rounds through cleaning between each, we have a polished throat and a clean bore. On the other hand, if we don't clean between each round and only after round 10 we would have a polished throat and a clean bore. If we didn't clean at all we would have a polished throat and a bore that has 10 rounds worth of buildup. So what are we accomplishing?

Now, if you say the copper deposits in the throat and must be clean out, why? Isn't the plasma that is polishing this area violent enough to remove any past issues? Let's say that you only see polishing effects with a perfectly clean bore. Now, you shoot 30 rounds without cleaning, go home, clean the bore well, and it counts as 1 round. Maybe you fouled up a little sooner than if you had done the break in? After a few round of this though, you are right to where you would be had you followed the break in.

Now lets look at Lilja.

"It is important to break-in a barrel though. The jacket material must be removed after every shot during the initial few rounds. If this isn't done the areas of the barrel that fouled will tend to pick up more fouling and it will build on itself. It is important to get a layer of powder fouling on top of the lands & grooves. This hard deposit will prevent the copper from stripping off the bullets. However, if the internal finish of the barrel is too rough the barrel will never be completely broken-in and fouling will always be a problem. Some barrels can't be broken-in."

But wait. How do we get a layer of powder fouling before we get a layer of copper fouling? The bullet comes first. If the bore is going to pick up fouling it would first be copper. And lets say we clean the barrel. Now what? We have no fouling of any kind and are back to the conditions of shot 1. Do you need to start the break in over? And why isn't this the same story that Krieger gave? They said the goal was to polish the throat. Lilja says it's to deposit a layer of powder fouling first. Hard to believe these two sources disagree on what the break in is doing.

Then look at Bartlein. Their scientific explanation as to why you break in? None. They even say a lot of rifles with a proper break in will foul more than others and still shoot as good as they are going to. But doesn't that sound like break in is no different than regular use? If break in was such an exact science that had merit why would this happen?

I obviously don't believe in break in. I would love to see someone take a decent sample of barrels from a given manufacturer, break in half and just shoot the other half, and document their results. I unfortunately, don't have the time nor resources to do so. I will also say, that while I don't believe in break in, I typically follow it in the off case it were to be effective. I use those first shots to get on paper anyways so it takes nothing away from what I would get out of the rifle had I not done so. Seems silly but I do it none the less.

There is a real lack of any hard evidence showing that break in does much of anything that regular use wouldn't also accomplish. The manufacturers who promote break in, right or wrong, use little science if any to back their claims. They state general concepts as truth, correct or not. Their word of perform break in is no more or less important than McMillin's word to not break in. When someone has more than a theory of why it does or doesn't work we can move on. Until then, it's all just theory on both sides of the coin.
 
benzy2, This what I know. I broke in my Kreiger stainless as per their instructions. The upper builder, White Oak Precision, suggested to follow Kreigers intructions. Thats what I did. At Perry in 07 after a day of shooting, my buds and I came to our hut after eating and cleaned our rifles. I got zero copper using Shooters Choice solvent after letting it soak for awhile. No green! I made one of my buds open a new jar of Hoppes copper remover and again no copper. Plus this upper is a tack driver.
 
The only time I've gotten green out of a barrel is when it is one that was allowed to sit a long time before being cleaned.

I don't necessarily think it's hooey, but I don't think it's life-changing either. I think that if it's going to do any good at all, it will probably be during the first ten rounds or so. After that I think that the burnishing that happens is an order of magnitude less than that, and the law of diminishing returns takes over. For most shooters (even distance shooters) with most guns, I doubt they will ever see a difference.

I purchased two new Remington 700 VSs in .308, I broke one in to about 60 rounds, the other one I just cleaned and shot. I couldn't tell the difference at all, during or after.
 
Nobody has proven break in does anything besides waste ammo. There are so many different procedures offered it's obvious nobody knows.

Skip it.
 
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