Bazoo’s 44 special casual loading and adventures thread.

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I was inspired by @AJC1 ‘s thread on 357 loading to start my own thread on my gun and adventures loading for my 44 special.

This is a lighthearted sort of testing I do. I could do better with more time and money invested but that’s not the point. The point is to make some reasonable accuracy assumption set by the limiting parameters of my eyes and hands. Some days I have bad days and can’t shoot for beans, and some days I do better than shown here in this first post. This is representative of an average though and it’s the last 4 targets I shot the other day.

The gun for the subject of this thread is my flattop NM Blackhawk in 44 special. I have fitted a stainless steel XR3-red frame to it. I also installed a blued Blackhawk hammer as the original didn’t fit the ears of the new frame acceptably. I also installed a factory takeout hammer spring, as the gun had a fairly light spring when I got it. It’s still a work in progress as I’m going to find different grips at some point. And I’ll likely do other minor things to it.

My throats measure .4314-.4323 with the others falling somewhere in between. My bore is .4292.

The load particulars for these cartridges and targets shown is written on the best target of the lot. It consists of 4.4 bullseye with an RCBS 44-250-K Keith copy that weighs 265 grains ready to load. It’s a standard plinking load for me that I’ve worked up and still tweak occasionally.

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These were fired late in the afternoon so the light was not great. 15yards, standing, but rested off the roof of my tracker.

So, as I get the time and gumption I’ll add more photos and more info for what works and doesn’t work for me. And hopefully I’ll add some hunting and hiking pics too as I continue my love affair with this most special to me of specials. Thanks for reading and if you have any questions or things to add, please don’t hesitate to post.
 
Hmmm…. .44Spl. Excellent!

Q: are you only interested in current commercial cast or jacketed or stuff so old it could’ve come out of Bill Jordan’s personal stash….?
Or are there any rules? :evil:
 
Hmmm…. .44Spl. Excellent!

Q: are you only interested in current commercial cast or jacketed or stuff so old it could’ve come out of Bill Jordan’s personal stash….?
Or are there any rules? :evil:
If it’s 44 special I’m interested. From 180 grain wadcutters to the 25k psi Keith load.

I’m mostly interested in cast bullets from The Bazoo Armory, but the interest runs deep enough I’ll buy cast and jacketed on occasion.

I’m currently working with

Lee 429-240-2r ( needs lapping)
RCBS 44-240-SWC
RCBS 44-250-K
Lee 432-265-RF ranchdog.


I have a lee 429-200-RF that was undersized and now has been replaced by the vendor I purchased it from. I haven’t cast with the new mould yet.

I have a mess of lee TL430-240-SWC bullets I had cast from a mould that I’ve now sold. They are a touch undersized so I’m going to powder coat them. That’ll be my first experience PCing.
 
If it’s 44 special I’m interested. From 180 grain wadcutters to the 25k psi Keith load.

I’m mostly interested in cast bullets from The Bazoo Armory, but the interest runs deep enough I’ll buy cast and jacketed on occasion.

I’m currently working with

Lee 429-240-2r ( needs lapping)
RCBS 44-240-SWC
RCBS 44-250-K
Lee 432-265-RF ranchdog.


I have a lee 429-200-RF that was undersized and now has been replaced by the vendor I purchased it from. I haven’t cast with the new mould yet.

I have a mess of lee TL430-240-SWC bullets I had cast from a mould that I’ve now sold. They are a touch undersized so I’m going to powder coat them. That’ll be my first experience PCing.
For that 200gr bullet, I highly recommend Blue Dot, if you have any, at a start of 11.0gr. A 200gr Bull-X LSWC over 11.5gr in a .44Spl is one of my favorite plinking loads. Especially for twilight. :D
 
Cool. 44spl is one of favorites. I'll be ripping a few off myself later today.
I shoot mainly 240s, my preferred are the coated swc from Acme over Tite Group or Accurate 5.
I'm gonna try some today loaded with silhouette out of the 3 inch GP100 and see how we go
Certainly be following this thread
 
I mostly loaded Unique and the 429421 for a long time. Like was said right out of Skeeter’s notebook.

In the last few years I started loading some 200 RimRock RNFP loads for my Bulldog trying to find a fun range load. During that process I found Win244 to be a very nice clean and accurate powder. 200 grain bullets at 850 fps that you can shoot a Bullseye match with in the 12,000 PSI range, mild.

Using the same Winchester data and powder for the 200 RNPF I loaded Rimrocks 185 SWC-HP, dimensionally identical to the 200 RNFP at max loadings to get over the 950 fps expansion range. Another great load, my nod to the .38 FBI load for a .44 Special. With a slightly lighter bullet and 14/15 hardness these are easily within standard pressure and fine for the Bulldog. Just fun from the 629 3” and my Ruger Blackhawk Flattop.

During the same time I ran out of my decades long stash of 429421’s and ordered some of RimRocks 260 Grain Wide Nose SWC. As they sit quite a bit deeper in the case than a Keith bullet I started at 5.5 grains of Unique then 6.0. A good solid standard pressure .44 Special. I still have to work up a load at the top of the spectrum for that bullet. Certainly some testing with the Win244 is in order. A 900 fps plus load is needed for that bullet. Not for the Bulldog though.

As far as throats go, my only leading issues have been with my Super Blackhawk shooting 240 Bevel Based Hard Cast bullets over 1000 fps. Once I started shooting 14-16 brinnel flat based bullets my guns run clean.
 
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That Lee 432-265-RF I mentioned, gas checked and lubed through my Lyman 450 with 50/50 lube has been mighty accurate in the instances I fired it at paper. I’ve only loaded a few boxes of them before I got all sidetracked with other bullets. But I have a mess cast up to do some further load development with.


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This is an old target I saved from the first batch I loaded in 44 special cases for this gun. I just so happened to be loading 45 auto with 4.6 grains bullseye so I ran a few 44s off to test. I happened to have some magnum primed brass so I used it. Best I recall I only shot either one or two targets and shot the rest plinking.
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Around 2006 I was getting frustrated with Unique for its poor metering and lack of clean burning. This lead me to Accurate #5 which for me was a suitable replacement for Unique in many handgun cartridges I reload for, including .44 spl.
In the 2008-9 component shortage I tried VV N-340 and WSF for .44 spl with excellent results, at the upper end of the load data these powders out preformed Unique for me in .44 spl.
I know how it is, when you find something that works you stay with that and say it is the best, for me I found something better, a few unique alternatives.
 
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I am certainly willing to move away from unique and try new stuff. Same as I’m willing to try bullets other than the Keith. That doesn’t mean though I’ll give up either. I like to experiment.
Absolutely! 200gr. GDHP and 10gr. of No.5 is a real thumper of a load. Unique works and so does Bullseye but, for that bullet from a 3" barrel, I like HS-6, Blue Dot, or No.5 and No.5 is just a little nicer.

Variety is the spice of life! ;)
 
Absolutely! 200gr. GDHP and 10gr. of No.5 is a real thumper of a load. Unique works and so does Bullseye but, for that bullet from a 3" barrel, I like HS-6, Blue Dot, or No.5 and No.5 is just a little nicer.

Variety is the spice of life! ;)

For sure on #5. I picked up some True Blue a while back and next session I'm going to put that to the test. Worked great in my 45 colt loads. It's been my experience that the same powders work as well in both
 
I've been using 700x lately, as I have no idea when I will be able to get more Unique, but I did recently get a keg of 700x direct from the manufacturer, at the manufacturer's regular price.

I haven't tried recreating the Skeeter load with it and don't intend to, as I suspect the powder is simply too fast. Five grains of it behind a Lee 240 LRN essentially matches the original specification for the cartridge and is clean and reasonably accurate.
 
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Around 2006 I was getting frustrated with Unique for its poor metering and lack of clean burning. This lead me to Accurate #5 which for me was a suitable replacement for Unique in many handgun cartridges I reload for, including .44 spl.
In the 2008-9 component shortage I tried VV N-340 and WSF for .44 spl with excellent results, at the upper end of the load data these powders out preformed Unique for me in .44 spl.
I've shot 200 grain plated or jacketed bullets seated with a slight crimp over the *shoulder* of the bullet or 200 grain lead wadcutters in .44 Magnum brass over either 4.5 grains HP-38 or 6 grains Universal. These are closer to .44 Russian than .44 Special. Makes a 7.5" Redhawk into a bit of a popgun. Good for paper punching at 50 feet. I haven't been methodical enough to say which of these combinations is really the most accurate, but all are good enough that my shaky hands are the big problem.

Wadcutters came from here. Caveat: this guy can be slow to ship sometimes.
http://www.westernbullet.com/saeco944.html
 
I’m interested in WSF data as well. For both 44 special and 38 special. Since my 44 special can handle higher pressures than the saami 15,500psi limit, I’d likely be able to use it to good effect.

That Lee TLC432-265-RF seats deep and likely would be a good candidate for WSFs burn characteristics. I have a pound of it or so from the Obama shortages. Been using it in 45 automatic.

A nice member here ran some data for me with that bullet through quick loads. WSF was not in their powder selection. However I was able to get bullseye, unique, 231, and power pistol data. Those are the powders I’m most likely to use. Turns out my guesstimating for pressure of the bullseye and unique loads I was using was real close in this instance.

I don’t have any power pistol but I’ve been wanting to try it because everyone says it’s great. We’ll see.
 
Speer 13th has some data for those powders in the .44 Special. What bullets are you using?
In the post I said in the previous paragraph it was a lee 432-265-RF. I wanted load data specifically for that bullet because it seats deep. He said quick loads didn’t have that bullet, but the NOE version so it’s close enough. I was supplied with data up to the 23k psi range, which is what I asked for. Though I mostly load at less than the 15k range for comfort, I may get energetic.
 
I don’t have any power pistol but I’ve been wanting to try it because everyone says it’s great. We’ll see.

I actually tried it last year with 240 Badman SWC and it was a good load. I believe I ran 7 grains with it, and it worked as well as any other powder I tried in this cartridge. It is a right clean burner too, at least is was for me. I've got a bunch of it as I use it in the 40s, was happy see it do good in the revolver. I needed to give a little more time with it to tune it in, just haven't got back to it yet. IIRC, she was running around 800 with the short barrel, with a right good bark. That stuffs got a bang to it
 
This was from testing out my new Smith M69, 4-1/4":

Smith.jpg Created: 11-26-2018 12:46:02 PM
Description: 44 special 7.5 Unique
Notes 1: we
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono (FT): 0.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight (gr): 240.000
Altitude (FT): 0.0
Temp: N/A
BP: N/A
Shots
# FPS FT-LBS PF
5 878 410.88 210.72
4 868 401.57 208.32
3 888 420.29 213.12
2 854 388.72 204.96
1 889 421.24 213.36
Average: 875.40
StdDev: 14.69
Min: 854
Max: 889
Spread: 35
True MV: 875.40
 
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