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Well I hit the range again yesturday with the same rounds except I dropped the OAL to 1.130
Heres my thoughts.

1. I wont be working BE-86 up for my Shield. It just shoots to well with TiteGroup, (Not happy even with the 4.6 gr)

2. I am going to fine tune the 4.6 gr. load, Maybe even drop A couple points.
for my 226 and SP2022.
I had decent groupings with them at 4.6 gr with 1.130 OAL.

3. I got A lot of Titegroup yesterday at the LGS. Which is good as I have some really good loads worked up with it.

4. Im going to give 40 S&W A try once I get the 9mm to my likeing.

But thats as far as I think I will go with BE-86
I will continue to follow this thread, As it is interesting to see the gret effort being put into this powder by A lot of you Guys.
 
Kirk37r,
I've always had really good luck with Titegroup and my shield. I'm not sure it can be beat in that combination.

I haven't got to work with BE-86 enough yet to really put it through it's paces except in the .357mag.

I have a peanut butter jar full of my preferred load in BE-86 for 9mm but want to finish the jar I'm working on now first. They are Titegroup loads of 4.0-4.1 at 1.125 OAL and they are deadly accurate.

That's what I shot this group with.
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This group was shot with my Shield and my Titegroup loads. BE-86 has a noticeably different recoil than what I'm use to with the Titegroup. Not worse, just different.

It definitely burns cleaner though.
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That's with 99 rounds ran through it.
I didn't wipe if off, it just didn't get dirty. After I got home and checked the barrel, I didn't even clean it.

I've only made one trip to the range with the BE-86 loads and that doesn't mean much. I only shot so-so that day as I had spent half the night in the plant with a breakdown the night before so I had very little sleep.

Yea, I know, excuses!

I definantly want to get up close and personal with the jar full of BE-86 loads and get used to shooting them before I make any comments on BE-86 with 9mm.

Too many people are doing well with it.

By the way, I did a trigger job on my Shield, I could hardly get a 6"group with it at 7 yds before.

You may want to check that out.
 
BE-86 and .44mag

Loaded 15 each at 10.6, 11.1 and 11.6 grains of BE-86. (Published max is 11.8). COAL = 1.600". Gun is S&W 29-2, 6.5" barrel. No chrony this trip. 10.6 grain load felt like a good mid-range load, but wasn't particularly accurate. The 11.6 grain load felt pretty strong. (Also put a few down the pipe of a US Arms Abilene .44mag with a 7.5" barrel; the muzzle flip on the 11.6 grain load was ridiculous, but the load was accurate.) The middle load, 11.1 grains, was very promising. About 2" groups at 30 feet, offhand. Recoil was strong but manageable. All casings came out of the cylinder easily. I think I agree with many other comments that this powder is better at mid-range than it is at max load.

Need to try it with the .41 next!
 
Let us know how that works for you in the 41 magnum. I tried it at 9,9.5, and 10 gr. of BE-86 with 210gr plated bullets .

I didn't get to play with it much though. 10 gr had more recoil than I anticipated but seemed to be a decent load. It wasn't hard to handle, but I don't think the Grizzley 250swcgc are that hard to handle so that might tell you something.
 
kirk37r said:
Well I hit the range again yesturday with the same rounds except I dropped the OAL to 1.130
Heres my thoughts.

1. I wont be working BE-86 up for my Shield. It just shoots to well with TiteGroup, (Not happy even with the 4.6 gr)

2. I am going to fine tune the 4.6 gr. load, Maybe even drop A couple points.
for my 226 and SP2022.
I had decent groupings with them at 4.6 gr with 1.130 OAL.

3. I got A lot of Titegroup yesterday at the LGS. Which is good as I have some really good loads worked up with it.

4. Im going to give 40 S&W A try once I get the 9mm to my likeing.

But thats as far as I think I will go with BE-86
I will continue to follow this thread, As it is interesting to see the gret effort being put into this powder by A lot of you Guys.
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Would be interested in your 9mm titegroup/Shield loads. powder, bullet oal?

Havent tried tightgroup with the shield...

Russellc
 
tightgroup tiger said:
Kirk37r,
I've always had really good luck with Titegroup and my shield. I'm not sure it can be beat in that combination.

I haven't got to work with BE-86 enough yet to really put it through it's paces except in the .357mag.

I have a peanut butter jar full of my preferred load in BE-86 for 9mm but want to finish the jar I'm working on now first. They are Titegroup loads of 4.0-4.1 at 1.125 OAL and they are deadly accurate.

That's what I shot this group with.
attachment.php


This group was shot with my Shield and my Titegroup loads. BE-86 has a noticeably different recoil than what I'm use to with the Titegroup. Not worse, just different.

It definitely burns cleaner though.
attachment.php

That's with 99 rounds ran through it.
I didn't wipe if off, it just didn't get dirty. After I got home and checked the barrel, I didn't even clean it.

I've only made one trip to the range with the BE-86 loads and that doesn't mean much. I only shot so-so that day as I had spent half the night in the plant with a breakdown the night before so I had very little sleep.

Yea, I know, excuses!

I definantly want to get up close and personal with the jar full of BE-86 loads and get used to shooting them before I make any comments on BE-86 with 9mm.

Too many people are doing well with it.

By the way, I did a trigger job on my Shield, I could hardly get a 6"group with it at 7 yds before.

You may want to check that out.
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I would like to try this in my shield, what bullet type and weight were you using with the 4.0-4.1 @ 1.125 load?

Thanks,
Russellc
 
Well, I'm sold on BE-86 for .41 magnum. I loaded up 15 each of 9.0 grains of BE-86 and Power Pistol under a 215 grain coated lead SWC from SNS Casting, S&B LP primers, 1.585 COAL. Shot like a dream. If my phone hadn't been charging I would have taken a couple photos. Groups about 1.5" offhand from 30 feet (except where I jerked a shot and knew it when I did it). I think from a bench rest they would make one ragged hole. Recoil was pleasant. I didn't notice much less flash from BE-86 than from Power Pistol, but I'd like to stand to the side and see if it's easier to see a difference compared to being behind the gun.

This might be creeping right up there alongside HS-6 as my favorite powder for the big bores (other than Red Dot for the .45acp).
 
By the way, I did a trigger job on my Shield, I could hardly get a 6"group with it at 7 yds before.
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TGTiger, curious what you did to your trigger. If you would rather pm than side track thread that would be fine. Thanks
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RussellC said:
Would be interested in your 9mm titegroup/Shield loads. powder, bullet oal?

Havent tried tightgroup with the shield...

Russellc
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I am loading 124 GR RN X-Treme Bullets with 4.1 gr titegroup, CCI primer,at 1.130 in my Shield. Took A bit of time to get it to its happy point
 
out of curiosity, is everyone finding that BE-86 works well through the range from min to max charges? Or is it a powder that works best at close to max recommended loads? I noticed in working it up for 10mm loads with a Hornady 180 grain HAP that it seemed to preform well across the spectrum - ES went from 22 - 15 for all loads (7.4 - 8.2 grains) and SD went from 8 - 6, with the lowest being toward the high end, but a few tenths lower that max.
 
Thankyou tight group tiger and Kirk37, I have a couple thousand Precision delta 124 grain I will try this with.

Russellc
 
Tested some .357 today.
The loads seemed to shoot well even though I didn't.:banghead:

Colt Python 4" BE86 6.4gr MBC
MBC 158gr SWC Coated Crimped in top groove
1029
1042
1068
1053
1044
AVG 1047.20
SD 14.45
PF 165.46
ES 39

Nice medium load.
 
The loads seemed to shoot well even though I didn't
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I know that feeling. I just write down on my range sheet I use for getting numbers and making comments that the load seemed to have potential, but that I was shooting poorly, and I need to re-test.
 
Got a chance to chrono a a couple of loads of BE-86 after the local Steel Challenge Match this weekend. I was testing out a load I want to shoot in IDPA and I wanted to make 1050fps to make a power factor of 130 (125 is required)

I loaded, on my Hornady LNL AP, the 9x19mm RMR 124gr FN over 4.62grs of BE-86 in Blazer brass. Temperature was about 96 degrees. The loads were fired through a 5" Springfield XD

The interesting factor was the difference in velocity simply in response to differing OAL. Actual OAL is for the RMR FN, OAL if loading an Xtreme RN is in the brackets (to maintain constant case volume)...difference between the bullet lengths was .023"

#1
OAL: 1.127" (1.150")
Avg. Vel: 1031 fps
S.D.: 15.34 fps

#2
OAL: 1.117" (1.140")
Avg. Vel: 1051.25
S.D.: 5.315 fps

#3
OAL: 1.100 (1.123")
Avg. Vel: 1062.75 fps
S.D.: 11.644 fps
 
I was pretty surprised and didn't realize how consistent it was until I ran the numbers through a calculator.

I was impressed enough to run off another 300 rounds last night...I love my LNL...and plan on checking this load for accuracy next time
 
Looks like going to 1.117 made a noticable difference in the SD as well.
When I tested 4.7 gr 1.09 my avg vel was 1090, 1.11 1070 so a noticable difference there. I did not save individual shots so I don't have the SDs for that test.
(chrono is a cheapo and it does not generate the SD #s)
So for me .02 made 20fps difference.
Looks like .02 for you made about 30 fps difference.

9mm,
3.62gr correct?
Curious because with 4.4 I was getting about 980 in my 5" 1911, 3.6 is .8 less and you were getting higer vels. All my loads were shot in 90-100 degree weather.
Primer type?
 
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9mm,
3.62gr correct?
Curious because with 4.4 I was getting about 980 in my 5" 1911, 3.6 is .8 less and you were getting higer vels. All my loads were shot in 90-100 degre weather.
Primer type?
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Ooops, that should have read 4.62grs. I corrected it above to avoid confusion for later readers

Primers I used were CCI 500 SPP

I was basing my load on your 4.7gr results...was trying for 4.6gr and it just happened that the insert seem to get stuck at 4.62grs ;)

Was playing with my powder measure last night and thought I'd see how consistent it was over 10 throws.

The Mean was 4.61grs with a S.D. of 0.0216grs.
Low was 4.58grs and the high was 4.66grs. 5 of the 10 throws were at 4.60grs
 
I hate it when my fingers don't do what my brain tells them to. (they do this quite often) :)
4.6 makes perfect sense, I was scratching my head at 3.6 with the 125s thinking WOW big lot to lot difference.:eek:

:cool: Looks like 4.6-4.62 will give you the 130PF your after.
Hope they shoot great for you. jell-dog had really good results around that charge with the RMR FNs.

I have found with my pro disk throws BE86 really well. Vary seldom see a .1 diff when using my DS750, but it rounds to 1 place so every now and then I will get 4.6/4.7.
 
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