mcb
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I know how much this forum loves talking about their favorite bear handgun.
The bullets used are all FMJ and hardcast for maximum penetration.
The bullets used are all FMJ and hardcast for maximum penetration.
OMG, that was annoying, even skipping ahead 2-3 minutes at a time. How much penetration do you need to stop a charge? How much penetration do you need to cause a traumatic brain injury inside the critter’s head after punching the skull? How much penetration do you need to puncture the spine? How much do you need to crack ribs and put rounds beyond the heart/lung area or break front legs? I doubt that penetrating the entire length of the stomach and intestines and exiting out the back is going to bring all that much more to the table after you hit those other things. On the flip side, I doubt that dude would get very good shot-to-shot split times using a timer with any degree of accuracy. He might get a couple of shots off quickly with the Glock 29, but I wouldn’t bet on much with the others. It’s cool to carry monster guns that theoretically offer maximum critter stopping ability, but the overwhelming majority of people will never shoot them enough to be really good with them under the time constraints of a real-life charge by a maneater. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer here.
I smoked a ‘possum once in my back yard with a 22 air rifle. Had him on the grill minutes later. He stank to high heaven, but tasted delicious. They’re just fatty enough not to dry out easily.If any one can get several rounds of 460 S&W or 500 S&W off on a charging bear it would be Scott (the dude in the video in the OP) he holds at least one world record for shooting those big X-frames fast. I believe his record is 5 shots of 500 S&W in a hair under 1 second.
As for the rest of us very few of us are ever going to need to fast draw on a bear. And those few that might I suspect have picked a weapon appropriate and practiced. More and more evidence points to the fact that within reasonable limits that gun is not nearly as important as being proficient and mentally prepared to defend yourself. But that is true for more than bears.
Me and the unarmored opossums have gone round and round many a time and me and my Model 10 have always come home with my anatomy intact.
Okay Glock guys. What is the velocity difference between the G29 & G20?
If any one can get several rounds of 460 S&W or 500 S&W off on a charging bear it would be Scott (the dude in the video in the OP) he holds at least one world record for shooting those big X-frames fast. I believe his record is 5 shots of 500 S&W in a hair under 1 second.
As for the rest of us very few of us are ever going to need to fast draw on a bear. And those few that might I suspect have picked a weapon appropriate and practiced. More and more evidence points to the fact that within reasonable limits that gun is not nearly as important as being proficient and mentally prepared to defend yourself. But that is true for more than bears.
Me and the unarmored opossums have gone round and round many a time and me and my Model 10 have always come home with my anatomy intact.
OMG, that was annoying, even skipping ahead 2-3 minutes at a time. How much penetration do you need to stop a charge? How much penetration do you need to cause a traumatic brain injury inside the critter’s head after punching the skull? How much penetration do you need to puncture the spine? How much do you need to crack ribs and put rounds beyond the heart/lung area or break front legs? I doubt that penetrating the entire length of the stomach and intestines and exiting out the back is going to bring all that much more to the table after you hit those other things. On the flip side, I doubt that dude would get very good shot-to-shot split times using a timer with any degree of accuracy. He might get a couple of shots off quickly with the Glock 29, but I wouldn’t bet on much with the others. It’s cool to carry monster guns that theoretically offer maximum critter stopping ability, but the overwhelming majority of people will never shoot them enough to be really good with them under the time constraints of a real-life charge by a maneater. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer here.
Well, I stand corrected concerning Scott. Thanks for pointing that out. He knows what he is doing and he probably puts a lot of rounds downrange with those cannons to stay proficient. He can carry anything he wants. But it doesn't change my general perception that most people carrying specific "bear guns" or "woods guns" are not putting thousands of rounds through them per year. Judging by what I see at the ranges I frequent, most people in my area really don't shoot too well, including the guys blamming away at oversized silhouette targets with their 10mms at 7 yards. I also can't recall the last time I have heard anyone shooting magnum revolver cartridges.
I just carry my 9mm carry guns loaded with 147 grain +P hard cast or Lehigh Xtreme Penetrators when I'm in the woods. I've been carrying them bow hunting all month. We don't have grizzlies, but we have just about everything else you can find in the mountain west. The critters we stumble upon the most on a regular basis are moose. We've also been having a problem black bear running around the cabin lately.
How many of those you see at the local range are wandering in bear country? I would venture a very small fraction. It up to each person to be prepared and I don't worry much about those that choose not to.
Here in rifle bullets, the concept of straight path through media of flat point bullets explainedThe interesting part to me was how straight the FMJ flat-point round-shoulder bullet in the 10mm and the truncated cone from the 44 tracked through the gel. I had always heard that these bullet shapes were notorious for not tracking straight and at least those two data points showed otherwise.
Don't get me wrong I like the 44mag but before I carry it for defense I will be testing, testing, & testing.