because of my neighbors we cannot own a gun.

[Busyhands94]

a few years ago i was able to shoot pellet guns all day in my backyard, until our super-paranoid neighbor across the way got mad at me for just shooting a pellet gun. i know that it was noisy and semi automatic but still, a pellet gun nonetheless. he had had a bit to drink as usual and started screaming at me when i went out front. my ol' lady came out and talked to him and apparently promised him "no weapons on the property" and that we would never own any kind of weapon or shoot here again. however as the years passed the guy forgot about that crap, got more occupied with work, but my mother never forgot her promise. she promised to forfeit our families second amendment rights to our stupid neighbor. how dumb is that? we are talking pellet guns here, it is not like i was doing anybody any harm or shooting a .22 in my backyard. it just irks me that we have to give up our right to own a firearm because of some idiot. last night my mom was talking about not letting me get the NAA super companion even though i would keep it locked up, unloaded, and probably stick a lock through the cylinder or barrel. i see no problem in owning a black powder firearm because i go to the shooting range very often, i already own several guns that are more than capable of being lethal, i took a hunter's safety course, i am more gun safety conscious than anybody in my entire family, and i am overall a very responsible person. however she promised one of the neighbors (who was tipsy might i add) that we will forfeit our second amendment rights so he, his wife, and his two kids could feel "safer" because there would not be a gun in the neighborhood. it just sickens me. nowadays i get along well with the guy who my mother made a promise to on that fateful day, however i am not sure where he stands on the subject of owning firearms. i would like to get him to tell my mom that owning firearms is okay, i am just not sure how i shoudl phrase it. if anybody has any ideas on how i should approach this then any advice is welcomed. however i simply am going to get a .22 pistol. and if i cannot get one i will make one. period.

 

[John_galt]

How old are you?

Are you planning on living in the same place the rest of your life? Not that you have to move but it's unlikely you will stay in the same place all your life?

 

[tyeo098]

Theres nothing legally prohibiting you from owning a firearm.
If you're over 18, you can buy one and your mom will have to deal with it.

+1 if you live in a Commie state and its registered in your name. If she took possession of it, she'd be committing a felony.

 

[ZeSpectre]

Grow up, move out on your own, make your own rules for your house.

 

[WNC Seabee]

Grow up, move out on your own, make your own rules for your house.

^ This

 

[Smoovbiscuit]

If your at least 18 theres nothing your mom or neighbor can do to prevent you from owning a firearm. Owning a gun is a right, not a privilege.

The most your mom could do would be kick you out, in which case I personally would chose guns over a free place to live.

My mother was very anti gun, when I turned 18 she didn't want my guns kept at the house, so I just hid them. But my parents weren't nosey, and gave me my space so I wasn't worried about them finding out. What they don't know wont hurt em right?

I figured the only way they would ever find out is if they were snooping through my stuff, in which case I would rather move out on my own than live without privacy, or if I needed them for self defense, where they would probably end up thanking me for having them anyways.

 

[mgregg85]

Sounds like its time to move out if you are of age. And if you are talking about buying a handgun I've gotta assume you are old enough.

 

[357mag.]

Well your mom did'nt HAVE to do anything,it was HER choice.She is the one that i'd be talking to,not the neighbor.Bottom line is,HER house,HER rules!!!!When YOU get your own place and all of the responsibillitys that come with it,THEN you get to make the rules,untill then mom/dad are the BOSS.As far as getting a gun anyways,all I can say is it's a VERY bad idea and ask you not to.

 

[btg3]

If you're over 18, you can buy one and your mom will have to deal with it.

Uhm, sorry but that would be incorrect on a couple of counts at least.

First, as a parent , whatever contraband (as defined soley by me) that a child (regardless of age) brings into my house is subject to confiscation.

Second, in my state, even if you legally own a handgun and have a CWP, you must have the homeowner's permission to bring a weapon onto his property. If it came down to it, that could apply to family members.

In summary, if I were the mom had "had to deal with it", you'd better believe I would be up to it in a manner that you probably didn't count on.

That said, my children are armed at home, and even though it would be legal, we don't do any plinking on a 1/3 acre lot surrounded by neighbors.

 

[Sam1911]

If you've discussed this with your Mom and she won't change her mind, then it is her house and her rules. When you are an adult and have your own place, you can make your own rules. From the description of the situation you've given, I don't see that a lot more argument, discussion, or reminding the neighbor of your past behavior is going to serve you well.

Be thankful that most things in life are temporary and learn from your past mistakes, and your Mom's indiscretions.

 

[dawico]

Your mommy's house, your mommy's rules. Just be respectful of that, or else she won't give you and your girlfriend a ride to the movies anymore. When you hit 18, move out and get a job, then you don't have to deal with all of the oppression that goes on there.

Your mom forfeited your 2A rights to the neighbor, huh?

 

[Busyhands94]

it is technically not classified as a firearm because it is a cap and ball revolver. my father and i both support the second amendment, however my mom is a bit scared of firearms. i am 17 right now and i figure that when i am 18 i will be moving out of California for good. however i would just like to have a cap and ball revolver before i have to move out and pay bills. i am thinking she will be fine with it if i keep it locked up (i always lock up my guns and lock the ammunition up separately and keep both hidden) for a while she was very anti gun, however i am 17 as of today and i think that she will realize i am responsible enough to own one. that is why i am starting small with just a .22 cap and ball revolver. it cannot be loaded with cartridges and is classified as a non-firearm.

 

[btg3]

Where do you plan to shoot it?

 

[quatin]

Sounds more like a mom issue not a neighbor issue. Your mom is using the "promise" as an excuse to ban guns in the house. Don't jeopardize your relationship with your family over it though.

 

[deadin]

.22 cap and ball revolver. it cannot be loaded with cartridges and is classified as a non-firearm.

First off, I'm not aware of any .22 caliber cap & ball revolvers. How about a link to where they are for sale?

Second. C&B black powder guns are "non-firearms" under Federal law. I wouldn't be too sure about State law. (Especially CA)

Third. Many communities have ordinances that forbid shooting any kind of "projectile" weapon within the city limits or within a given distance of any dwelling.

Are you up to speed on all of the various rules (other than Mom's) for your location?

 

[Sam1911]

First off, I'm not aware of any .22 caliber cap & ball revolvers.

He said, "NAA super companion."

That's a C&B revolver that shoots .22 cal round balls.

 

[BushyGuy]

You can own a gun if your legally of age, depsite what the neighbors say they aint in control of ur life.

there are alot of anti's out there just let it go in one ear out the other!

 

[Busyhands94]

i plan to shoot it at my local firing range, i already have a BP gun, there are no regulations of such in California that i know of. and yes they do make a cap and ball .22 revolver, here's the link: http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com...d_Guns_Pistols_NAA_22MCB____22MAG_CAP_AN.aspx
i have wanted one for years now and i have finally decided to save up and get one. my papa is okay with it. however i think i can remove fear from her mind through education. i figure she will see i am a responsible person and that i won't do anything stupid with it.

 

[kingpin008]

i am 17 as of today and i think that she will realize i am responsible enough to own one.

IMHO, respect and responsibility go hand in hand. If you're not able or willing to respect your mother's decision to prohibit you from owning guns at her house, you have a responsibility to respect that.

That said, if you are able to change her mind through education and showing her that you can handle and use them safely, that's great. But be willing to respect her wishes if she isn't swayed.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

This is not a neighbor issue, it is a mother issue. Your mom is using her promise to your neighbor as an excuse because she doesn't want you to have a gun.

And regardless of how responsible you might think you are, I don't think it is going to change your mom's mind. If she is anti, she is anti. Plus, if she is looking for an excuse to say no, all she has to do is remind you of a temper tantrum you threw when you were four to determine (in her mind) that you are not responsible enough to own a gun, irrespective of your age and maturity level now.

I know all this, because my mother pulls the same exact stunts. Really and truly, your best bet is to just wait until you move out so you can make your own rules. Heck, I'm in my mid twenties now and my mom STILL maintains I'm not mature enough to have a gun in her house.

I carried in her house for years until she hugged me one day and felt it. She told me I couldn't have it inside her house. When I asked why, she couldn't come up with a reason.

A few weeks later, she reminded me of all the "anger and violence issues" that I have. Apparently, I'm so angry and violent that I hit my sister in the arm and screamed at my mom at the top of my lungs when I didn't want to be grounded... at age nine... literally 15 years ago.

Yes, my mother uses a temper tantrum I had 15 years ago to justify (in her mind) why I can't be trusted to carry a gun in her house.

When you move out and make your own money, you can do whatever your budget and local laws allow. Until then, you have to follow her rules. Even after you move out, you need to follow her wishes while at her house. When I go visit my mother, my pistol stays in the car. I hate it, but the fact is that it's her house.

I think of it this way... I hate the smell of cigarette smoke and do not allow people to smoke in my apartment. If someone said to me, "hey, smoking is legal, so I'm going to do it in your house anyway," I would not be a happy camper. So in the same vein, you need to respect what your mom finds acceptable (no matter what is legal or how old you are), while you are at her home.

 

[mgmorden]

This is confusing. On the one hand you claim you can't own a gun and just want to buy a cap and ball, yet you then state:

(i always lock up my guns and lock the ammunition up separately and keep both hidden)

You lock up your non-existent guns that you've already said you're not allowed to own?

This is either a kid in serious need of some ADHD medicine or, more likely, a troll.

 

[mikerault]

At 17 I was graduated from High school (10 days before my 17th birthday) married and in the Navy. My wife had our first child 1 month before I turned 18. Sorry, I just can't relate...

At 18 I had an apartment in Benicia, California, owned a .22lr automatic rifle that looked like a mini-AR15 and a 7.62mm Argentina Mauser.

Happily married now for 37 years and have 3 grandchildren.

 

[thorn726]

seeing how the "18/ move out " argument is more than established, there is the other operative >>

she promised to forfeit our families second amendment rights to our stupid neighbor. how dumb is that?

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pretty dumb i think. it is one thing to agree not to shoot, another to agree NO GUNS at all?!?! Seems some way to combat that logic would be the most helpful here, but talking a convinced mother into anything is not easy./
Have you considered talking to the neighbor or is the person too confrontational?? I can understand your wanting to change some minds here. Also for the rest, there are the possibilities of financial or physical need to remain with mom>> What if mom gets sick and needs son to take care of her?? YES you can force an issue of legality on a family member, but who would want to? The OP appears to be looking for a better way to resolve the situation than avoidance, do we immediately write off the mother as a hopeless anti??
I offer (if possible) have a passing conversation with the neighbor and mention you are sorry you annoyed him with your pellet gun in the past, just to show you are a more responsible person now. (i do not suggest even mentioning getting another gun, but simply making peace as best as possible with the neighbor) AND continuing to reason with mom about how safely you will store and maintain the weapon you plan to buy. Sneaking around is no good, and more paranoid people don't help us any either. if they vote, you should try and get them on our side

 

[KodiakBeer]

You won't have much fun with that NAA .22. Get a full sized cap and ball revolver that you can learn to shoot with.

 

[scaatylobo]

Grow up,then move on !.