bedside blade/defense.
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I don't plan on fighting anything, my blades are mostly for Renaissance Faires. Stainless Steel is not meant for combat, but having them around, why not, have them all around. Rereading my post I may have confused some think Braveheart not directional landmine. My plans for self defense involve a .357, but I still do katas with scy and numchuks. I think it goes back to the Para-military group I belonged to as a boy, their moto was 'Be Prepared' whoops should I mention para-military training or is the BSA still PC? While I'm asking why is PC, P C, shouldn't that be incorrect?
Telesway
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I do have a knife beside my bedside table in addition to a gun because if you're really caught sleeping and someone's on top of you, a knife's sure as hell a better weapon than a gun.
Ask yourselves this: if you were to wrestle with a guy, fighting for dear life, would you rather he had a pistol or a knife? I know I'd choose he had a gun any day.
In our krav maga club we spar quite a bit with weapons and I know I'm not the only one who thinks that a knife is a far more dangerous item in extreme close quarters than a gun. If you don't believe it, try it out yourselves: take a paintball gun and a magic marker, give both to your partner and have him attack you first with the paintball gun (at close range) and then with the magic marker (again at hugging distance). I'll bet you get more "hits" from the magic marker than "splats" from the paintball gun.
So yeah, I have a regular cheap knife on my bedside table right beside the gun and if I wake up too late to shoot the bastard from a distance, I'll go for the knife and ventilate his body.
Ask yourselves this: if you were to wrestle with a guy, fighting for dear life, would you rather he had a pistol or a knife? I know I'd choose he had a gun any day.
In our krav maga club we spar quite a bit with weapons and I know I'm not the only one who thinks that a knife is a far more dangerous item in extreme close quarters than a gun. If you don't believe it, try it out yourselves: take a paintball gun and a magic marker, give both to your partner and have him attack you first with the paintball gun (at close range) and then with the magic marker (again at hugging distance). I'll bet you get more "hits" from the magic marker than "splats" from the paintball gun.
So yeah, I have a regular cheap knife on my bedside table right beside the gun and if I wake up too late to shoot the bastard from a distance, I'll go for the knife and ventilate his body.
theotherwaldo
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I figger that I'm more likely to be trapped by fire than by invader. Since I sleep in an interior room, the bedside blade's for chopping through whatever wall isn't hot if the hall gets blocked by a fire.
The Highlander
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I have an ancient aluminum teeball bat and my current edc (ie- depending on what I'm edcing, that's what'll be there. More often than not it's one of my tenacious's)
Innova
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I keep an Aitor sitting on the bedside. Probably will never need it, but it is there.
HorseSoldier
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Both can end a fight quickly -- the problem with an opponent who gets into knife range is that you're not likely to get cut just once, and trying to bring a gun to bear also reduces your ability to defend yourself from the knife.
Not saying that makes the gun a bad idea, just saying that up real close there aren't a whole lot of good options, and even if gun beats knife (which I agree) when you get into stabbing range, "winning" the fight can still easily mean permanent/crippling injuries, etc. Better than being dead, but still . . .
Unfortunately, the Tueller Drill or whatever says that if the bad guy can get inside 21 feet he can cut you before you can draw on him . . . from open carry in a duty belt holster. I've heard some people bump this up to 30 feet these days for open carry, not sure what the going thinking is for draw from concealed carry.
Serious self-defense has to include options/strategies for what happens when the bad guy does get the drop on the good guy, the weapon being used for defense type 3s at close range, etc. It can and does happen, and "I'll always shoot the bad guy" just isn't a realistic approach to self-defense.
Would have found that kind of funny until I saw a big halibut beat to death with one. Definitely not eager to get in the path of a teeball bat after that.
TimboKhan
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Well, like I said, the ol' kabar is by the bed next to the 66. I realyl do use it as more of a backscratcher, but if that was it's only good use, then I would just keep a backscratcher by the bed, y'know?
DAVIDSDIVAD
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conwict-
Knives are better at severing things physiologically necessary for function, like tendon, nerves, etc...
You slash the hand just so, and the hand that was choking you is now permanently limp.
Knives are better at severing things physiologically necessary for function, like tendon, nerves, etc...
You slash the hand just so, and the hand that was choking you is now permanently limp.
Telesway
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conwict said:
Do you mean a good hit from a knife or a bad hit from a knife vs. a good hit from a gun vs. a bad hit from a gun?
Yes, the question is rethoric but here's my point: a bad hit from a gun will do little else than annoy the attacker (e.g. the bullet just grazes a large muscle, barely making a scratch) and if it happens to be a pistol and he's grabbed the slide/barrel, you most likely have to deal with a jammed weapon as well now. If we're talking about good hits... well, a good stab to the throat ends a fight pretty quickly, don't you think? Or stabbing/cutting any of the major arteries (not quite as quick but generally talking seconds here). Additionally there's what DAVIDSDIVAD said; a cut/slash can render a limb useless with one hit. What I mean is both weapon types can deliver show stoppers.
I can also tell from personal experience that losing 1/3 of all of your blood makes you very, very weak, slow, possibly unconscious, and practically leaves you at someone else's mercy (be it an attacker or a paramedic, luckily in my case it was the latter).
This is not to annoy people or anything but I honestly recommend trying out the paintball gun vs magic marker drill in which the attacker is really trying to "kill" the defender and you go full force. It's pretty damn difficult to take away a knife from a determined opponent especially since you can't really grab the knife itself since only the blade is exposed but you have to grab the knife hand whereas with a gun all you have to do is grab the gun/move it/yourself out of the line of fire and the gun is useless.
I do think a gun is the superior weapon but at wrestling distance the knife is, imo, a bigger pain in the ass to deal with than a gun (especially a semi-automatic).
DAVIDSDIVAD
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Paintball?
I'd go for airsoft first.
I'd go for airsoft first.
Telesway
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DAVIDSDIVAD, sorry, meant airsoft. Got the two mixed up as English is my second language.
conwict, true, but since a knife beside the gun doesn't really hurt (and knives aren't that expensive either)... well, I'm a fan of the adage: "what happens to paranoid people? Usually very little."
conwict, true, but since a knife beside the gun doesn't really hurt (and knives aren't that expensive either)... well, I'm a fan of the adage: "what happens to paranoid people? Usually very little."
HorseSoldier
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I can tell you don't spend a lot of time drooling at the Strider or Randall, etc., websites . . .
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interesting perspectives from everybody on the subject,i guess ive been reading to much massad ayoub articles on self defense around the house,shotguns-pistols-knives-self defense techniques for my wife and daughter,i bought em mace ,stun guns,and knives to put in their purses.
interesting perspectives from everybody on the subject,i guess ive been reading to much massad ayoub articles on self defense around the house,shotguns-pistols-knives-self defense techniques for my wife and daughter,i bought em mace ,stun guns,and knives to put in their purses.
BTW, I know this is the NFW forum, so I don't normally say "a gun" as my answer...I didn't mean to appear flippant. Sometimes if I stay in an unfamiliar area I keep a really sharp 3.5" blade drop point hunter fixed blade on the stand, but that's mainly if it was on my belt.
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Yeah it's a pretty nasty little weapon. I like it better than a full size bat because of its maneuverability in confined spaces. I've got a sawwed off mossberg 500 with a foward pistol grip that would really ventilate a perp, but unfortunately I didn't read the fine print on my 12 month apartment lease up at school so now I have to keep them stored "off site". I've been thinking about bringing it anyways.
wheelgunslinger
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I keep a cold steel smatchet and a tomahawk by the bed in addition to the gun and mag light. If the gun fails, jams, malfs, etc, I have my choice.
bikerdoc
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OK guys I agree, guns, knives, canes, mag light, whatever at the bed side. I got them all.
Now think about this,
A good layered defense means hardening your domain,.... having multiple layers for the BG to get through,.... good sensor lighting, dogs, alarms,etc......
So we dont have to go to the nightstand goodies.
It also helps if you have a rep in the area for being someone not to screw with.
Now think about this,
A good layered defense means hardening your domain,.... having multiple layers for the BG to get through,.... good sensor lighting, dogs, alarms,etc......
So we dont have to go to the nightstand goodies.
It also helps if you have a rep in the area for being someone not to screw with.
Telesway
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bikerdoc, very good point! Geoff Thompson talks about that when he wrote about the guy, who had bitten a man's nose clean off in a bar fight. Nobody even went near the guy in a bar because he had such a rep for being a crazy ****er. I think Thompson called that a "psychological fence", meaning an invisible "barrier" you have around yourself that nobody wants to cross for fear of getting hurt. Kind of like posting a sign on your yard gate with a picture of a big dog.
Also agree 100% on the other stuff: a decent alarm system, night lights in the yard, trained dogs etc. Whatever to work as a barrier between yourself/your family and hurt. I think that knives, clubs, even guns are for those moments when all other security measures have failed and it's time to do man's work (according to some old samurai axiom, all of it bloody business).
I find that the items I use the most at night is a flashlight (for just about all night-time wanderings around the house) and the gun (for double checking that it wasn't a bg when something went 'bump' in the night).
Also agree 100% on the other stuff: a decent alarm system, night lights in the yard, trained dogs etc. Whatever to work as a barrier between yourself/your family and hurt. I think that knives, clubs, even guns are for those moments when all other security measures have failed and it's time to do man's work (according to some old samurai axiom, all of it bloody business).
I find that the items I use the most at night is a flashlight (for just about all night-time wanderings around the house) and the gun (for double checking that it wasn't a bg when something went 'bump' in the night).
+1 doc...
More important than any bedside weapon.
Since I have my edc stuff at the side of my bed these are the knives that are there.
They are not what I will reach for for HD.
When my dog goes woof, I reach for my Mossberg. No need to worry about waking up with someone over my bed.
(Unless they are Ninjas.
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guess it depends on what is in my pocket; usually a Gerber EZ Out folder, a Meyerco G10 folder, or a bigger CRKT Falcon folder that I wear while on hunting grounds; my fixed blade hunting/gutting/knives stay with the huting gear
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