Bedside gun: why I don't keep a round in the chamber

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I'd recommend keeping the gun in condition three, because with a little practice you could learn to grasp the pistol, chamber a round, and drop the hammer on target very quickly. I'd also advise you to bolster your perimeter security so that you'll have more than ample warning of any intruders.
 
I agree, after using a GV 2x7x52x? years, the "combination" is a subconscious reflex. I am sure I could do it in my sleep. Nevertheless, that is part of why it's there...to make a little speedbump on the way to fuller consciousness.
I guess that one way around it would be to keep the gun under lock and keep and leave the key in a deep bowl filled with ice water -- sticking a hand in there would help bring a person closer to consciousness before getting there hands on the gun.
 
Alan, not sure what your meaning is, exactly, but there are a reasonable number of incidents that occur where people have unexpected and serious "accidents" with firearms after being awakened unexpectedly. It's up to each of us to try to gauge ourselves and our circumstances...life is full of judgments about balancing risks and probabilities.
 
mountaindrew-

i have to apologize.....i went into your room while you were sleeping to borrow your toenail clippers and had to turn on the lamp; didn't want to clap my hands a second time for fear of disturbing your sleep, so i simply unscrewed the bulb and set it on the nightstand; oh, i also borrowed your gun for something i had to do, but i had to throw it into a lake, so i left you an I.O.U.....should be in the nightstand.

no hard feelings i hope.

- dale jr. :evil:
 
If you sleep walk, there isnt much that you cant do.

A long time ago, my best friend got out of bed, put on pants, no shirt or shoes. Traveled 3/4 of a mile crossing a creek and over two barbed wire fences across a golf course to a 7-11. This was in the moonlight, and like any golf course, it has hills and ponds that he navigated through/around.
He got a coke out of the cooler, paid for it, took the change, drank half of it, and went to sleep in the parking spot right in front of the store. That's where we found him.
He seemed drugged or like he had a stroke. The paramedics talked to him and decided it was an OD, even though he insisted "no drugs". ER docs said he was asleep. Sure enough, he woke up and said "what I am doing in the hospital?"

Unlock a safe that he has openned many times before and load a gun? No problem compared to what he did that night.
 
What if you screw your gun into the lapsocket and keep your light bulbs in your gunsafe? :cool:
 
I use a small gun vault on the nightstand. It also gives me a place to stash the extra mags I keep handy in case I get a serious home invasion coming at me. Rick
 
Thats a bit odd.. along with some of the other stories here, I myself have never been known to sleepwalk or do much of anything in my sleep besides snore and move a bit to change to a more comfortable posistion, and occasionally talk.

My step daughter on the other hand will do some strange things in her sleep... checked on her one night and she was sitting on the bed with her eyes closed with a pencil and paper drawing... she does things like that... if shes thirsty she'll sleep walk to the kitchen get a cup and get herself a drink and go back to bed with no memory of it.. or use the restroom etc. She gets it from her mother, shes told me some stories of some strange things she used to do, she doesnt do them anymore, were thinking she will out grow it like she did... hopefully.

My SO used to do things like get a glass of milk from the fridge and walk outside to wake up walking down the road in the middle of the night... her dad usually got to her before she hit the door but a few times he didnt, he used to just walk her back to her room and put her back to bed, much like we have to do with my step daughter.

No doubt people can do some strange things in their sleep... the story about the guy walking through the sticks across a golf course to the gas station and then actually buying something etc. is quite funny... but dangerous at the same time, good thing he likely wasnt in an area of high traffic.
 
Years ago in Oregon City there was an incident where an LEO dreamed someone was attacking him, grabbed his Glock off the headboard, and shot himself in the leg. Cured him of the habit, at least. There's also a legend about a guy who heard his phone ring, picked up his .38 off the nightstand, put it to his ear and fired. May or may not have survived. I don't leave one loaded and handy. Of course, I have kids, too.
 
When using a revolver as a bedside gun, the cylinder is unloaded but a nearby speed loader isn't. Never had any problems, even in the dark.
 
I keep mine in a wall safe. It is quick to access but I must get out of bed to do it.
 
I'd recommend keeping the gun in condition three, because with a little practice you could learn to grasp the pistol, chamber a round, and drop the hammer on target very quickly.

Therein lies the problem at hand, sir.
 
I have done some odd things in my sleep as well - not so much walking around but more like waking up and not knowing where I am. I was more active when I was younger!

I had considered this when I thought about a bedside gun, and this is what I came up with. I have a gunvault bolted to the floor in my closet which is next to my bed, but I do have to get up to reach it. Then, there is the combination to open it, and as a final step I keep the pistol in a kydex holster so that the trigger is covered. A round is chambered.

Not perfect but I think I found a point where I need to be conscious enough to get at it, but still accessable enough for speed. I suppose if you are a talented sleepwalker you could just as easily drink a gallon of draino or stab someone with the butcher knife kept in the kitchen.
 
The problem is that anything which doesn't require conscious figuring - i.e., anything that you're reasonably practiced doing - can be done while asleep if your brain's motor disconnect doesn't work. I forget the exact term for it, but the human brain is supposed to have something like a circuit breaker that prevents major muscle movement while you're sleeping. It's what prevents you from actually pumping your legs and kicking your wife if you run in a dream, and it's what causes the occasional twitches you'll see someone sleeping have as the muscle begins to move before the brain disconnects it.

If that part of your brain isn't working, you can do anything while sleeping that you can do waking unless it requires real, conscious focus (i.e., you couldn't do the NYT crossword or solve math problems). Unfortunately, most of the stuff people do that requires motor control does not require conscious focus. Even worse, if it does require conscious focus, it's the sort of thing you're not going to do well under stress. Strong tendencies towards somnambulism are a serious disorder without any good solution, bordering on full-scale disability, precisely because you can perform almost any normal activity without knowing it.

What this all means is that if you're prone to somnambulism, the goals of home defense and the goals of safety are mutually exclusive: the only way to set things up so that you're not at risk of wielding the gun while asleep is a way that you're not going to be able to do quickly if the SHTF. It just becomes a question of how much you tend to sleepwalk. If you're the sort that doesn't have fine motor control while asleep, keeping the chamber empty is a good solution. If you're the sort that never makes it out of bed without waking up, keeping the gun "three steps away" is a good solution. If you're the sort that can walk outside and drive your car to the mall, there is no good solution.
 
I have a friend who told me about a time his wife caught him standing on the bed in the middle of the night, twisting his hand in the air like he was unscrewing a light bulb - but there was no socket where he was.

He also told me that she woke him up leaving the house one morning at 4:00am - he had gotten out of bed, TAKEN A SHOWER, gotten dressed, and kissed his wife good-bye - all while asleep. He didn't need to get up for another 4 or 5 hours at the time.

Scares the vinegar out of me to think he was going to drive that way... I guess it's a good thing he's NOT a gun owner!
 
There are several ways you could rig an alarm on the gun itself. Keep it in a drawer with a pressure switch for example. Make the alarm really loud an obnoxious enough and it will wake you. Wire it into your burglar alarm and it will wake up everybody.

Hmmm. There is an idea, a pistol case with a cellular auto-dialer that calls the cops if you draw the pistol in an emergency.
 
My bed gun is always loaded. With that said, here is a story that you all may find interesting. I served as a machinegunner in the USMC during both Desert Storm and Somalia. While my combat time was limited, I suffered a gunshot wound to the abdomen, which in part has resulted in me having an exaggerated startle response, which is occasionally a source of concern for me. One night my roommate, who had just passed the last of his entrance exams to become a fireman, came home at about 2:00 in the morning after celebrating (not drunk, just home late). I always lock my door before going to bed, and I often fall asleep with my light on as I usually read myself to sleep, and this was the case on this night. Additionally, my computer was on (he could hear the fan humming). Anyway, given this information, he assumed I was awake and wanted to share his good news with me. Predictably, he was wrong. I had been asleep for a good couple of hours! For reasons as yet unclear to me, he decided to gently rattle my dooknob to enter my room (quick note, I have known my roommate from childhood, and I would quite literally trust this man with my life, in any situation). I am a very heavy sleeper, but unusual sounds, like my doorknob being gently rattled, will wake me right up. Anyway, I heard the sound, woke up, my heart was pounding and the adrenaline was running and I grabbed my Ruger P-90, which, as mentioned earlier, is always loaded. I quietly walked to the door, and then flung it open while at about a 3/4 ready position (which puts the front sight roughly on his chest, as opposed to being pointed straight at his head). I immediatly recognized my roommate, yelled "Dude, are you trying to get yourself shot?", closed the door back up and went back to sleep after about 20 minutes of waiting for my heart rate to slow down. The moral of my story is that even in my just-awake, exaggerated startle response, adrenalin jacked state, I was able to make correct decisions with a fully locked and loaded pistol. While I make no claims as to my expertise or skill at home defense, I would say that if you are not capable of making these types of decisions upon being awakened by a strange noise, a loaded, at the ready firearm, is not the answer for you, in as much as a bed gun is concerned. I could have very easily put a round, or two, or three, or seven, through my friend had I been less prepared, and I thank God every day I didn't. He still doesn't understand exactly how close he came to being shot, but I do. If it wasn't for my dad telling me repeatedly to always know what I am shooting at (target recognition as opposed to free-fire through the door), the USMC teaching my a little bit about urban combat and how to handle weapons in that environment, and my finger being flat along the trigger guard, as opposed to directly on the trigger (another dad-taught maxim). Anyway, I don't know how germaine to the point this story is, but it seemed relevant.

Timbo

Better to bleed in training than to die in battle.
 
I recommend moving the gun to the garage and clamping a loading press to the nightstand. When you wake up after a good night sleep, you'll have plenty of fresh ammo.
 
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