jaholder1971
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It's the economy and the gougers getting their due and proper.
Benefit of the Great Panic of 08/09--Cheaper Prices!
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molonlabe28
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I don't plan on buying (or need) any new weapons in the near term futurn, but I still have a list of (mostly long) guns that I would like to acquire in the next couple of years.
I fear an Obama Executive Order AWB, similar to the way GHWB passed the 89
ban on imports (or whatever it was).
That possibility scares me quite a bit, particularly because it is something he could do in the waning days of his (first and only) term.
I fear an Obama Executive Order AWB, similar to the way GHWB passed the 89
ban on imports (or whatever it was).
That possibility scares me quite a bit, particularly because it is something he could do in the waning days of his (first and only) term.
mljdeckard
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I agree about gougers getting their due. It makes me giggle when Impact is selling pmags for $30 when they can be found online for more like $12. (I bet if I went into Impact right now I would see a BIG price drop.)
I agree Obama wouyld take any chance he gets to restrict gun ownership, but I also think he's on the verge of total chaos in his administration. The honeymoon is over, the momentum is running out, the rubber-stamp legislation is done. There's a big difference between WANTING to ban guns and actually being in a position to do it. I also agree that he would prefer to try it in his second term, when he has nothing to lose, (even if he doesn't realize that his party would get s***hammered as a result,) and THIS is why this is not the time for us to relax. Now is when you should be putting pressure on your iffy reps, even if you have done it before, even if you don't think that they listen.
Remember Molonlabe28- Executive orders are allowed for the administration of agencies under the executive branch. The president can't ramrod sweeping legislation with them. If that were effective enough, they wouldn't have passed the '94 ban at all. Clinton could have just signed another executive order, which he didn't. Any executive order implemented by one president can be undone by the next with a stroke of a pen. (Even if they are STILL way too worried about the consequences.)
I agree Obama wouyld take any chance he gets to restrict gun ownership, but I also think he's on the verge of total chaos in his administration. The honeymoon is over, the momentum is running out, the rubber-stamp legislation is done. There's a big difference between WANTING to ban guns and actually being in a position to do it. I also agree that he would prefer to try it in his second term, when he has nothing to lose, (even if he doesn't realize that his party would get s***hammered as a result,) and THIS is why this is not the time for us to relax. Now is when you should be putting pressure on your iffy reps, even if you have done it before, even if you don't think that they listen.
Remember Molonlabe28- Executive orders are allowed for the administration of agencies under the executive branch. The president can't ramrod sweeping legislation with them. If that were effective enough, they wouldn't have passed the '94 ban at all. Clinton could have just signed another executive order, which he didn't. Any executive order implemented by one president can be undone by the next with a stroke of a pen. (Even if they are STILL way too worried about the consequences.)
ThrottleJockey72
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Yes, the gougers got their due. They got ridiculous amounts of money if that's what you mean. Capitalism works. Now you think they are actually losing out by selling things just above cost or at cost? With what they made the past 15 months, they can sell at cost for years to come and still be ahead. I understand you are just trying to look for the good side of this, but come on. There is no good side of us suffering and not being able to enjoy our hobby for the past year. Just one more negative factor of the Obummer administration.
Its easy to call people or companies price gougers now, in fact, these folks had products that we wanted, and were willing to pay their price for them. Thats capitalism. Had a ban gone into effect, we would all be wishing we had bought just a few more Pmags when they were only $30.
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Acera
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Gunshow in Pasadena, Texas yesterday.
Every popular ammo in stock, yes even .380. (A little high for me @ $24.95 a box still)
Dealers had AR mags for as little as $10, GI contract Aluminum.
AK mags everywhere for $12-18. Plastic Bulgurian, steel in wrapper, etc.
Off brand AR lowers < $100
LPKs still high, cheapest was I think around $70.
Sig 5.56mm rifles all over the place.
Saw some of the new M1A's with the factory earth tone stocks.
Plenty of the AUG reproductions available.
One thing I have not seen in a while were the belt fed semi-auto M1919's that were popular last year.
On the whole, it seems like were back to normal.
Every popular ammo in stock, yes even .380. (A little high for me @ $24.95 a box still)
Dealers had AR mags for as little as $10, GI contract Aluminum.
AK mags everywhere for $12-18. Plastic Bulgurian, steel in wrapper, etc.
Off brand AR lowers < $100
LPKs still high, cheapest was I think around $70.
Sig 5.56mm rifles all over the place.
Saw some of the new M1A's with the factory earth tone stocks.
Plenty of the AUG reproductions available.
One thing I have not seen in a while were the belt fed semi-auto M1919's that were popular last year.
On the whole, it seems like were back to normal.
mljdeckard
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Capitalism works both ways. If dealers are willing to buy a lot of inventory when the prices are high, and then we aren't willing to buy it from them when the prices fall, yhey are going to eat that cost.
The shortage
I'm seeing the same things beginning to happen in SW MO and have a retailer I buy from fairly often even holding primers for me until some powder I have on order comes in later in the week. For what it's worth I too see the outcome of this temporary buying spree that a small few have gone on to eventually produce lower prices, although in the beginning the quality of some components manufactured "overseas" could come into question as they ramp up their manufacturing capabilities to get a piece of the windfall profits.
As time passes, I expect a good many of the people who have been buying components and ammo will find that a new car or truck is going to prove more "valuable" than enough powder and other components to blow up half the neighborhood and as some of these components start finding their way into the marketplace and prices show the slightest indication that they might be falling, we could see a mad rush to door so to speak, from people wanting to get at least part of their funds back before prices fall even further.
Given a large increase in supply coming in from at least 2 or more sources can only mean one thing. A surplus, and probably a very substantial one. This ammunition, powder, bullet, primers and whatever are currently being manufactured both here and abroad on a scale that probably has never been seen before in times of relative peace and IMO we will soon find that the waiting lines have disappeared and retailers are going to be wanting to move this "new supply" as quickly as possible.
Will prices return to the pre-hoarding days? On some items I expect they will with the possibility of even seeing lower prices. Supply and Demand works. And I expect we will soon see just how fast a sudden influx in supply can have on prices. So I would say be patient. Unless you absolutely have to have a particular primer or powder wait a few weeks, you could be very pleasantly surprised as a result.
F. Prefect
I'm seeing the same things beginning to happen in SW MO and have a retailer I buy from fairly often even holding primers for me until some powder I have on order comes in later in the week. For what it's worth I too see the outcome of this temporary buying spree that a small few have gone on to eventually produce lower prices, although in the beginning the quality of some components manufactured "overseas" could come into question as they ramp up their manufacturing capabilities to get a piece of the windfall profits.
As time passes, I expect a good many of the people who have been buying components and ammo will find that a new car or truck is going to prove more "valuable" than enough powder and other components to blow up half the neighborhood and as some of these components start finding their way into the marketplace and prices show the slightest indication that they might be falling, we could see a mad rush to door so to speak, from people wanting to get at least part of their funds back before prices fall even further.
Given a large increase in supply coming in from at least 2 or more sources can only mean one thing. A surplus, and probably a very substantial one. This ammunition, powder, bullet, primers and whatever are currently being manufactured both here and abroad on a scale that probably has never been seen before in times of relative peace and IMO we will soon find that the waiting lines have disappeared and retailers are going to be wanting to move this "new supply" as quickly as possible.
Will prices return to the pre-hoarding days? On some items I expect they will with the possibility of even seeing lower prices. Supply and Demand works. And I expect we will soon see just how fast a sudden influx in supply can have on prices. So I would say be patient. Unless you absolutely have to have a particular primer or powder wait a few weeks, you could be very pleasantly surprised as a result.
F. Prefect
TheBandit
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I've been able to find ammo just about anywhere. My local walmart has 9mm about 75% I stop in, but it's never more than 10 boxes. They've had .38s and .44mag in stock everytime I've been through.
Even better are the local gunstores, they have almost everything back in stock. The only things they don't have are primers.
Even better are the local gunstores, they have almost everything back in stock. The only things they don't have are primers.
Phydeaux642
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I'm glad I didn't really get too involved in the panic (I did buy a really nice Norinco SKS for $295 on impulse, though). The shop I usually frequent is still too high on used guns but their new stuff is about the cheapest around and they are stacked to the rafters with ARs. Ammo is still up, but I picked up a good amount before the craziness. I'm still waiting for all of the cheap used S&W revolvers to hit the shelves.
mljdeckard
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Whaddyaknow!!
Impact now has them for $12 if you buy 10 or more.
Impact now has them for $12 if you buy 10 or more.
I too live in SWMO and I'm finding 9mm on the shelf at Walmart - and more is coming back into stock. One employee still would like a truck load of .380 as we joked about the shortage - I think that caliber is enjoying a high demand from Ruger LCP's. I don't think I'll see $269 on them for a while, tho.
I have decided on an AR build just to thumb my nose at my own current cash flow limitations, and in searching for a lower, keep finding them in stock under $99 on the net, under $140 for Stag or DMMG, etc. AGP looks like an exciting new maker with CNC engraved marks (no cheesy roll marking) and coupons put them under $95 (FFL fees applicable.)
I've seen LPK's as low as $59 in stock, and Magpul hasn't hurt with the prices on their furniture.
The only damper on the anticipation of the AR party is that our area is now at 74% of the national average on pay, and up to 89% cost of living. Locally, that has got to change. We're even further behind the 8 ball than before . . . .
I have decided on an AR build just to thumb my nose at my own current cash flow limitations, and in searching for a lower, keep finding them in stock under $99 on the net, under $140 for Stag or DMMG, etc. AGP looks like an exciting new maker with CNC engraved marks (no cheesy roll marking) and coupons put them under $95 (FFL fees applicable.)
I've seen LPK's as low as $59 in stock, and Magpul hasn't hurt with the prices on their furniture.
The only damper on the anticipation of the AR party is that our area is now at 74% of the national average on pay, and up to 89% cost of living. Locally, that has got to change. We're even further behind the 8 ball than before . . . .
Silent Bob
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The greed that has characterized this panic has hardened me toward gun shops and gun shows in general. I used to buy most of my ammo at gunshops, even if it meant paying an extra two or three bucks over Wal-Mart, in order to support them. But when fifty-round boxes of 9mm FMJ got up to nearly $30.00 and Wolf .45 ACP was going for almost $45.00 around here at the height of the panic something changed in me. There is one place in town still selling $700 WASR Kalashnikovs!!! I only buy ammo at Wal-Mart and Academy Sports now, the only two places that didn't jack up their prices to gouge shooters during the panic (though they almost never had ammo in stock, but that is beginning to change now).
I can have long memories about this sort of thing. The gougers can go to hell.
But I do have to add that if "The One" gets re-elected that a ban won't be coming. As evidenced by his socialist health care scheme, "The One" didn't learn anything from the Clinton Administration and will push for a new AWB in his 2nd term.
When this happens, as gunowners we need to stand up and contest this with all our heart and soul, and not launch into another greedy and idiotic panic frenzy of price-gouging and compulsive hoarding.
But I know human nature, and I can pretty much guess what we will do when (not if) the second ban starts looming. I can already see the $300.00 hi-cap magazines on dealer's shelves in the future.
And we will deserve it.
I can have long memories about this sort of thing. The gougers can go to hell.
But I do have to add that if "The One" gets re-elected that a ban won't be coming. As evidenced by his socialist health care scheme, "The One" didn't learn anything from the Clinton Administration and will push for a new AWB in his 2nd term.
When this happens, as gunowners we need to stand up and contest this with all our heart and soul, and not launch into another greedy and idiotic panic frenzy of price-gouging and compulsive hoarding.
But I know human nature, and I can pretty much guess what we will do when (not if) the second ban starts looming. I can already see the $300.00 hi-cap magazines on dealer's shelves in the future.
And we will deserve it.
benEzra
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Unfortunately, that is the way demand pricing works. During a time of high demand, you can either buy what you want at an elevated price, or you can peruse empty shelves marked with more reasonable prices. One can't have both, unfortunately; if you're not willing to pay more, the goods will go to those who are willing to pay more.
FWIW, prices have come back down, but they will never be as low as they once were, I think, due to the increases in the prices of the raw materials and the sinking dollar. 7.62x39mm for $5 a box or $250/case is a good deal these days, but it wasn't that long ago (before the ammo rush began circa 2005) that you could buy black-box Wolf for $1.75/box at Academy Sports or snag a case for under $100.
MagnumDweeb
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I've learend the value of getting an FFL for my one-day home. I'm an NRA certified pistol instructor and will only sell to my students so I won't have as many issues(but still plenty I'm sure). Doing business with my FFL guy and having myt students do business with him showed me just how much the locals gouged the heck out of the consuming public. I have lost all sympathy for them.
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