The 'Panic' and Us

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I'm in full panic mode and will continue to be for the rest of my life. I'll define it much differently though. I'm not spending money that shouldn't be spent, and I'm not paying prices that shouldn't be paid. But I do intend to acquire as much ammo and certain 'ban-ready' guns as I possibly can, just to get ahead of the curve because I believe it's coming.
 
Anytime you hear a person, or especially the Government dunces saying, "You don't need that gun, or ___________ fill-in-the-blank, you are listening to the ideology espoused by Marxist Socialists and Fascists.

Only the Government, with it's authority that comes from the barrel of its guns, can determine what you need.

Read the U.S. Constitution. See if you can find anything therein about how the Government shall be authorized to determine YOUR NEEDS.

But, unfortunately, today most people can not even think about determining their own needs: only Big Brother and Big Nanny can determine their needs.

L.W.
 
Home invasions are more likely in homes that have nicer things to steal.Nobody looks at the dump I live in and thinks "I bet that's where they keep the good stuff".
Wrong!!! The last home invasion in my town was in a very poor neighborhood. A small amount of money and a $100 gold chain were taken.
 
Well, I'll admit, I didn't run out and buy any guns. One gun I bought was right before the mad rush on them, and I was fortunate to have bought my black rifle and 500 Mag about two years ago.

I was also fortunate to have bought quite a bit of ammo back then for the 500 Mag and the black gun (less than 1k rounds for the black gun and about 1k rounds for the 500 Mag -- at about $3 to $3.50 a round). Then, right after buying those guns, I got right back into reloading. So, I am all set up with the guns I do have and can hunt with all of my guns and have reloading dies and components for all but the shotguns (never reloaded shotgun, as I don't shoot them that much).

I was looking at the cost of factory ammo yesterday, and it is about the same price in these parts as it was last summer, so I guess things aren't too bad around these parts, although some shelves were empty of certain calibers.
 
Wrong!!! The last home invasion in my town was in a very poor neighborhood. A small amount of money and a $100 gold chain were taken.
Ok, I will admit that some homes in low rent neighborhoods do have home invasions. You win. Bravo. I think you're missing my point. I was poking holes in the illusion of security in rich neighborhoods, not denying that there is ever crime in poor neighborhoods.

ETA: Sorry about your gold chain.
 
expvideo: "I was poking holes in the illusion of security in rich neighborhoods, not denying that there is ever crime in poor neighborhoods."

Again, Google "Percy", "Lambert" and "Dann." Pretty affluent area, if I do say so myself. Not to argue; instead, to agree.
 
I've purchased several guns since the election but they have all been guns that, probably, wouldn't be affected under just about any ban - i.e, bolt actions and a revolver.

The only guns that I want that would be banned are in extremely short supply. I'm on one list thru a 'word-of-mouth-only" firearms dealer (certainly nothing illegal here. He is just a great dealer with very cheap prices and refuses to raise them just because of the demand.) who will email everyone on his list on the day when a batch come in. Trouble is, there are a couple of "Entrapeneurs" (sp?) who always are in contact with their email accounts & call him 1st & buy everything. Then, 2-3 days later, I see them on several websites for double the price! Well, that's free enterprize, I guess but it still pisses me off. Twice he's beat me to the phone and bought the very rifle that I'd been waiting 3 months for. He got it for $975 and had it on GusAmerica for $1975 - FIRM! :mad:
 
Leanwolf: "Only the Government, with it's authority that comes from the barrel of its guns, can determine what you need."

Yeah, I used that as a conversation seg after taking an anti out for a sail. "And I need a yacht." No, it didn't come out quite so sarcastic as it sounds, here, and particularly after a day sail. And it worked, surprisingly.
 
I've purchased neither guns nor ammo. I have everything I need or want. However, I could use a few more pounds of powder.

I was around during the great depression, but I was a kid and thought it was normal.

At the end of WWII the unemployment rate was up around 30% for a little while with all the defense industries shutting down and all the GI's coming home to no work. But that didn't last long.

The Carter year's were much scarier than now in many ways. Carter sold most of the nation's gold reserves to keep the dollar afloat. We were in a situation where it looked for awhile as if the dollar would end up like the German mark during the 20's.

It some ways things look even more worrisome today. The massive debt is the root of our problem and we are now increasing it enormously. It's kinda like treating a patient with a severed artery by bleeding him.

The point is that we live in perilous times and have been doing so for a long time. Therefore, it is just good sense to be prepared for the worst case scenario. If that scenario doesn't come, well and good. You can still eat your beans and shoot up your ammo. But despite how bleak things may look, it is still good to remain optimistic and up-beat while you prepare because so far we have proved to be a resilient nation if not a wise one, and I believe we will muddle through this mess same as all the others.
 
But despite how bleak things may look, it is still good to remain optimistic and up-beat while you prepare because so far we have proved to be a resilient nation if not a wise one, and I believe we will muddle through this mess same as all the others.


True and makes good sense - you can't live in fear. Once again the silent majority are going to have to stand up and be counted.

That said, if I'm honest I have to ask myself some questions. What are the causes of civil unrest? Do these causes exist or just appear to? What is the likelihood (living near a city) that these theoretical problems could become actual? Is it reasonable to prepare if the theoretical becomes actual?If I don't prepare - what then?

If you live in Montana on 30 acres, your outlook is quite different.
 
I'm a new member and don't know the protocol for posting so if I step on any toes... I don't have the experience that alot of you have but I have enough to know what the government is capable of doing and nothing that spews from the erupting zit we call Washington will surprise me.

If we are told we shouldn't or can't have weapons you'd be better off buying what's needful and no more. Spend as much as you can on quality ammo, learn to shoot fast and accurately, and start reloading. Panic is driving up the prices and regardless of what you see on tv, any weapon is hard to shoot if you don't know how.

I've got 18 years in the military and being close to 60 now, I know what it's like to have 20%+ mortgage rates and drive 30 year old cars. I've seen gas lines a mile long, odd and even number fuel days. While the gov dumps fuel. I know what it's like to sleep in my truck because I couldn't afford to pay rent, even though I was working a 12 hour shift 7 days per week. Minimum wage is bull****.

There's no reason to panic, but there is reason to be prepared.
 
In the fall, my father started a conversation that went something like the following:

Dad: You know, Dunham’s has one of those AK’s on sale here. (he’s not really a gun guy, he just likes guns, but never owned anything other than a pistol and a hunting gun. For the longest time he didn’t even like the idea of people having guns for SD).

Me:
Oh yeah, are you thinking about getting one.

Dad: Well, do you think it’s a good price?

Me: Yes it is.

Dad: Do you think we should get it.

Me:
Just out of curiosity Dad, but you’ve never showed any interest in those types of guns before. Why the interest now.

Dad: Well, I’m just thinking it might be a good thing to get, just in case we can’t get them a year from now.

Me: What are you going to do with it?

Dad: I want something to fall back on in case they come to take them, or it just becomes harder to get them when they are needed.

Me: Look Dad, I’m not saying it’s a bad idea. I think it’s a great idea. It’s just that your asking me, and I’m not sure where your going with this. Say you buy the gun. Then what?

Dad:
Well, if they are going to come for them, then it might be a good idea to burry them. (I have no idea where he got that one from.).

Me: and when you dig it up, what are you going to do with it?

Dad: Well, I could give it to you, or maybe somebody else could use it. (He may not get around too well, but he should be able to run an AK. He just doesn’t like them. Too much of a traditionalist for them.)

Me:
What about ammunition.

Dad: I’d want to get some for it also.

Me: Well, ammo for that caliber is going for around $125/500.

Dad: I don’t think I’d need that much, maybe 100 rounds, and whoever gets it could get their own.

Me: Well, by the time you dig it up, ammo might be hard to come by. Then again, it might not be so hard to find.

I’m curious Dad, where do you think you would bury it. If you knew of a place, I’d love to do it, but there are a lot of things you need to think of (I latter sent him Gabe Suarez’s article on caching weapons) like how accessible will it be to you, how will you keep other’s from finding it, etc… (They just moved into a condo)

Dad:
(in an argumentative tone. Almost like I was trying to talk him into buying it, and he didn’t want to) I don’t need to get one of those things. If you want me to get you one I will.

Me:
Dad, I’m not trying to talk you out of getting one. I think it’s a great idea (everyone could use an AK). I just think that if your going to buy it, then you should have a plan. Otherwise it’s just panic buying, and you may later regret it. To be honest, if you think you’ve got the budget to spend that kind of money on guns, you might think about getting ammo for the ones you already have. OTOH Dad, if you just want the gun to have it, then get it. It's your money, and you should do what you want. I'm only saying because you asked my opinion.

Dad: I just bought some last year.

Me:
Dad, I know you don’t shoot that much, but if your thinking of preparing for an environment where you think it’s time to start digging up guns, then your going to need more than the 40 rounds you bought last year. I know you probably haven’t shot 40 rounds out of your combined long guns in the past ten years cumulative, but if your thinking of stocking up, then that’s where you should start.

Dad: That’s a good idea. Why don’t you keep an eye out for some deals, and let me know.

Me: Okay Dad. That’s sounds good


He called me up just before last deer season (about two months after the above conversation) to tell me that he’d just bought 100 rounds. He was pretty proud of that, and so was I. I don’t think he’s ever owned that much ammo at one time in his life (at least, not before I got into reloading handgun ammo). He’s the type who buys only one box at a time, and only when he runs out, and he doesn’t target shoot. Combine that with his age, and he’ll probably never go through that ammo he bought last year.



The point is people are going to panic buy, but like Boston said, “have a plan”. A lot of people are buying in panic as a knee jerk reaction. Some of them don’t even know what they are buying, or looking for (right after the election a man walked into my local gun shop and asked for an SK-47). All they know is that they are scared, and have to do something to gain some peace of mind. There will come a time when they turn around and realize that they don’t know what to do with the gun they bought in that fit of fear. That’s okay, I’ll be waiting for when that day arrives.


Truth is, if I'd had enough money two years ago to stock up, I'd have spent a lot more than I did. When I think about all the target shooting I'd like to do, Boston's 10K/gun count just doesn't seem to suffice (yeah, I know that he only meant it as the "rainy decade" stash, but I can't even afford that much for all my guns).
 
I've got 18" pump 12's and M1 cabines. Bo Gritz was a family friend at one point and he recommended the M1 over all other home defense weapons. I went with his recommendation. Ammo is cheap, weapon light, kick mild and 30 round clips. Just enough firepower to let the trolls know that you're not an easy target - better to move on to something else.
 
Back in the 1970's when inflation was running over 10%, you could put money in a CD at up to 18% at one time. 12% was a common kind of number then. Folks were buying "stuff" just because they believed that the price would increase if they didn't buy it now versus later (same as now with ammo but not other stuff). THIS is the next problem the country will be facing with this trillion dollar pork barrel spending bill that is being rammed through Congress without anyone hardly knowing what is in it.

I believe the politicans want to inflate the money supply so they can eventually pay down the debt with lesser valued dollars.

I did not particapate in the panic buying other than to buy a little more 22 ammo than was typical. The other side to that is that I started shooting more target and demanding a higher quality of ammunition.

I believe we are already seeing signs that the economy is starting to do better overall. If Obama keeps telling the people how bad it is, I see nobody spending any more money than necessary for the next 6 months. If the credit market opens up a bit, things will level out. That is something the government can provide assistance in.
 
Have a plan?

Ok, I do. I planed on filling out my battle rifle collection about 2 years ago. I just finished filling out that list with my second FAL. Bought cases of ammo each time I went to gun shows even though work has kept me from shooting too much so I'm flush there. Also part of the plan.

Now I'm working on some fun guns like an HK MP5 clone or maybe a HK 33/93 or I don't know. Picked up a mod A uzi just for fun. :)

My plan called for setting in plenty of food supplies, especially since we live in hurricane prone country, and as mentioned earlier plenty of toilet paper.

There are other things that we've accumulated according to our plan that most people don't think about. It helped having been without power for a couple weeks last year to show what we missed in our plan.

I remember the carter days and I think they were pretty bad but this time around I think the socialist/communist in control have much more in mind for us and it ain't good.

Bad times offer tyrants the opportunity to seize power and that's exactly what they're doing.
 
My problem is that I buy as much as I reasonably can no matter what the political climate. Once I got bitten by the gun bug I always seem to need more ammo and 'just one more' gun. I sound like a drunk or an addict. Seriously, I think I might have a problem.
 
The problem of the Carter years, which I remember well, was not so much "liberals" as incompetents. Carter and his people didn't want any Nixon/Ford people, and most of the Johnson people were dead, crazy or discredited by 1977. So a few Kennedy fossils were hauled out of the cellar, and a lot of arrogant, inexperienced, unrealistic young people with big ideas went to work in Washington. The result was a lot of spending to no useful purpose, decline of the core competencies, micromanagement, and the famous "crisis of confidence." Sound familiar?
 
DOD isn't the Washington Post more conforming to the body and so more absorbant? I always thought so, and what else can you do with it anyway?

cute thread.. I didn't buy nada. Not on 22 casing went into my supplies..

When they come I will be in full blown paint and that always works!
 
DOD isn't the Washington Post more conforming to the body and so more absorbant?

LOL !

Living 5 min. south of DC , the Washington Post would call regularly and beg for a subscription. I'd tell them - "No thank you , I use to have a use for the Post but my bird died"....

After a long pause they'd figure out that was a "no" and hang up :)
 
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