Benefits of coyote hunting

[Berserker]

I lived in IN for awhile. Didn't like it. To up tight about alcohol. Not sure why you are going on about people shooting coyotes and not disposing of the bodies. Hunters do it with wolves and farmers do it with deer, gut shoot so they wander off. Gut shooting bothers me more then letting the body lie, not like anyone is coming across the body.


Who am I accusing? I haven't done it, but don't really care either. There are lots of people around here that do it to protect deer. Not so much hunting coyotes as coyote control.

You come off kind of rightous. I am not accusing anyone of anything, I am just saying I know people, and it is not that unusual. I have trouble believing it is unusual down there, but I can't say for a fact.



I am like Chicago people????? You are the FIB and flatlander.

 

[blindhari]

Moderator,
This may not have completely slipped off the original track but does seem to have become combative (?).
Please read rate relevance to OP and topic

blindhari

 

[RPRNY]

Some of them have some pretty nice pelts, at least eastern variety. Worth a few dollars.

 

[wankerjake]

Where is it illegal to let a coyote lie? What are you supposed to do with them, bury them? Show me a state law that says you have to eat a coyote you shoot. We let them lie in AZ as it's perfectly legal to do.

 

[JSH1]

It would be easier to discuss things on this site, if you could quote the posts you are replying to, easily.

Click on the icon of the pen and paper in the bottom right of the message you want to quote. Then check the box for "quote message in reply" EDIT: If you want to actually see the quoted text click "Advanced".

On that same topic, most farmers hate deer and want them gone...

Yes they do. I grew up in Michigan and the corn and soybean farmers called deer "rats with hooves"

 

[Davek1977]

Hunters do it with wolves and farmers do it with deer, gut shoot so they wander off.

Now you're just being insulting. I grew up in farm and ranch country, and EVERY farmer/rancher I know cared more about animals than to intentionally wound and let suffer. Even coyotes were ATTEMPTED to be dispatched quickly and humanely. The more you type, the less seriously I can take your words. You seem to think whatever slobs you've encountered...because *anyone* doing that is a slob...not a hunter, farmer, rancher, just a slob.....represent rural people as a whole. That assumption is false, and insulting to a great many people. As for hating deer, while sometimes a bit annoying, I don't know any ranchers in our area that "hate" them and the vast majority would certainly miss their presence. Most ranchers are in the business because they enjoy working woth animals and the outdoors, both of wihch weigh against "hating" deer or any other wildlife. Yes, sometimes populations need to be managed, but thats out necessity and not out of "hate". I really can't believe people make such wide-ranging assumptions about rural dwellers. Much of what some of you seem to "know" is patently false. You accuse others of being "righteous" than make statements vilifying entire groups of people baselessly? I think you're as guilty as anyone of a bit of self-righteousness.

 

[Berserker]

I am a rural dweller, so it is not like I am making assumptions about some group of people I know nothing about.

I agree I don't care for gut shooting, and would rather kill and animal instantly. But you can't hunt wolves, and people don't always have crop damage permits for deer, or want them to wander off to die.

I have lost track of the people who have told me they have done it.

 

[Berserker]

Yes they do. I grew up in Michigan and the corn and soybean farmers called deer "rats with hooves"

Yep, I am from the UP. Big rats is what they call them in the southern areas. Not so much in the snow belt. But southern counties they are a road hazard and farmers happy with you shootings as many as you can, tag or not.

 

[Davek1977]

You live among a class of rural dweller I've never encountered in my 38 years. I dont know of a single rancher who behaves in such a way. Like I said, pretending those people are anything but SLOBS is an insult to the rest of us living outside of the city. While possibly common among your circle of acquaintances, to pretend thats par for the course is a gross over-exaggeration and like I said, simply insulting. That is not "common" let alone even heard of in these parts, and hasn't been for the 38 years I've been roaming this part of the world.

 

[Berserker]

Do you have wolves down there?

 

[Officers'Wife]

Allowing any harvested carcass to rot within leeching range of a watershed or wetland is a violation.

 

[JSH1]

Do you have wolves down there?

If this is directed at me, no, there are not wolves in the lower peninsula of Michigan. (At least not officially per the DNR) There are reports of sightings every now and then but no evidence of a pack that has taken up residency. No signs at all below the 44th where the vast majority of corn is grown.

Deer in the lower part of Michigan have no natural predators. They live in the fields and grow fat and happy until they are killed by a hunter, car or disease.

 

[Davek1977]

last I checked, SD was directly west of WI, not "down there".....as for wolves, we occasionally wind with a stray fro the Rockies, or Minnesota. We do have have Mt lions and plenty of coyotes however. Still not going to sway me that "most" rural people routinely break game laws or cause animals undue suffering intentionally. that runs contrary to what nearly every farmer or rancher I know does....they are typically stewards of the land, and would never intentionally leave and animal to suffer. As I said previously, the ranchers I've grown up with care more about animals than anyone I know. It'd be silly to choose that life if you didn't

 

[TimSr]

I do too.

I also disagree with this. Humans have this strange belief that ecosystems are stable and unchanging. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Is there a need to keep them in check? Sure.
Predator hunting is not bad for the ecosystem until it is taken to extremes, and then things go into rapid change. If you move out one type of animal, another will simply take its place.

Who said anything about ecosystems never changng? Of course they do. Sometimes due to human activity, but more often not. My reference to coyotes being invasive was in response to a declaration that hunting them was bad for the ecosystem, when your words would seem to agree that coyotes' recent presence in the eastern US ecosystem has almost certainly displaced something else. If this is the case, how can hunting them harm the ecosystem?

The simple fact is that hunting of coyotes has almost no effect on their populations, which is why most states had open season with no limits almost as soon as detectable populations were present. I have no idea what "taken to extremes" means in reference to the general hunting public hunting them. If I spent every waking day in the field hunting coyotes, I not only could not make a dent in the local population, but the ones still alive would be wise to predator calls, and educated enough to stay a lot farther away from humans.

 

[Art Eatman]

Way away from original subject.