With the introduction of this weapon into US military service, does that mean that the days of the old-fashioned pumpgun (Remington 870/Mossberg 590) are numbered as far as the military is concerned? How's the M1014 working out so far?
Benelli M1014 military shotgun
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Dave McCracken
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Slater, 870s, 37s etc, will still keep turning up in hot zones. The Benelli may be an excellent shotgun but enough old style shotguns are in inventory and are perfectly serviceable to keep us stocked up until we colonize the moons of Jupiter.
The Navy is adopting 590s. I've heard of several instances where ships turned in their 870s and recieved 590s. Basically, when the weapons inspectors from Indiana find excessive wear and tear on the 870s they send 590s as replacements and the 870s are turned in. The word on the street is the Navy will soon start adopting the 590s with 17" barrels.
Why we don't adopt 14" barrels with youth stocks is beyond me. Seventeen inches is still too long for the tight quarters aboard ship.
As for adopting the Benelli, maybe the SPECWAR types will, but the regular Navy won't for some time. The M-14 is still the standard shipboard rifle, and ships used the M1911 as late as 1996.
Why we don't adopt 14" barrels with youth stocks is beyond me. Seventeen inches is still too long for the tight quarters aboard ship.As for adopting the Benelli, maybe the SPECWAR types will, but the regular Navy won't for some time. The M-14 is still the standard shipboard rifle, and ships used the M1911 as late as 1996.
Add to that, it seems that a lot of the shotguns in Iraq are personally owned weapons belonging to the soldiers who use them. I doubt that all that many grunts could afford the benelli. I think we will be seeing pump guns for a long time to come.
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On my "old boat", we had 17" 590s, M16A2s, M9s, and MK46 Mod0s. We had 1911s when I first qualified, (1996ish) but they were replaced with Berettas soon after. As far as the M14s go, maybe surface ships still got em, but not submarines.
As far as the Benelli is concerned, the Marines I work with have been issued them and the all are thouroughly impressed.
As far as the Benelli is concerned, the Marines I work with have been issued them and the all are thouroughly impressed.
Well I did say ships and not boats. It's my understanding that the submarine community has had the M-16 series for quite some time. My current command has M4s; however, in the fleet M-14s still outnumber M-16s in sheer numbers and in the number of armories in which they are held. That is supposed to change in the next few years; however, the point is still valid. The Navy is the last to change when it comes to small arms.
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