Bent Smith and Wesson Ejector Rod

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Peter M. Eick

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I recently picked up an old Smith and Wesson Revolver and found that the ejector rod is bent about 1/16" to 1/8" when you spin the cylinder. The gun fires fine in double action and single, but in double it has a hitch on a few cylinders. Since I shoot mostly DA, this irritates me.

My question is this a simple fix I can trust to a local smith or does it require a trip to the factory or a "name-brand" smith of national repute?

Thanks and any advice on a smith would be appreciated.
 
Any qualified pistolsmith can straighten the rod and put it back into spec.

If you have reasonable hand skills, and Jerry Kuhnhusen's S&W gunsmithing manual, you can do it yourself.
 
Yes, it's not that difficult to straighten the rod, however buying new parts and fitting might suit most owners better. Fitting the rod is fairly straightforward.
 
I agree with the previous posts, but if you order parts, be sure you get the right ones. You mentioned that your Smith & Wesson is an "old one." Depending on just how old current parts may not fit. You need to know the exact model and period of manufacture. If you don't know post a description that includes the serial number, which is usually found on the bottom of the butt.
 
I've straightened a couple of rods.

I've used a couple of pieces of leather to go under and over the rod, which is lying on a steel block.

Then, tapping with a brass hammer or lead bar is all it takes.

Just be careful as all get out, and remember that the longer it takes you to do this, the better off you are. That means that you're not bashing it too hard.
 
Mike's method was the way we were taught at Lassen College. Of course, you can always spend $120 bucks at Brownells and get that fancy tool to do it too. Go slow on the hammer and check frequently. You'd be surprise how easy it is to fix it. Do a search here (under my name) for S&W revolver disassembly and you'll find a link to another website where I posted the instructions on disassembly.
 
Whata Pile Of Gunsmith Stealing Yer Money!

PLEASE check yer Brownells list for prices on a new ejector rod and center pin!
 
I don't think fixing the original parts of an "older" revolver is a waste of time or money. The new parts may or may not fit -- involving several returns, potentially -- and in any case the finish won't match.
 
"While I'd also suggest [replacing] (sic) the parts as opposed to straightening..."

Why?

We're not talking hyper critical parts here. We're talking about a slightly bent piece of rod steel.

I've straightened, IIRC, 5 ejector rods. Less than half an hour for any of them, no specialized tools needed, and pretty much instaneous joy as the gun's back in shootable condition that day, instead of maybe upwards 2 weeks it takes for the parts to arrive.

I've yet to see a bent ejector rod require a new center pin, either.

This isn't rocket science.

If he tries to straighten the rod and suceeds, he's ahead of the game.

If he tries to straighten the rod and fails, he's no farther behind than he was before.

It's a win-win either way you look at it.
 
I would still recommend replacing the parts and here's why. Replacing them is simple and you get a straight rod immediately. Me, I'd straighten it and I'd do a good job. I'm a metal worker by trade, though, though and I realize that most people aren't. I agree that if he tries and fails, he's still in the same boat. But if he tries and gets it "Close" then he's likely to still have a revolver out of time. The reason he posted here in the first place was:
The gun fires fine in double action and single, but in double it has a hitch on a few cylinders. Since I shoot mostly DA, this irritates me.
Since he said he wanted to go to a smith in the first place and that he wanted to know if he needed a 'name brand' smith, I'd suggest he doesn't feel that he has the skills to do the job in the first place.

And BTW, we ARE talking critical parts here. A bent ejector rod will misalign cylinders and can cause, at best, a decrease in accuracy and can lead to lead shaving and drastically decrease the life of the revolver. Mike, how many Smith & Wesson's have you seen with damaged ejector rods? Of the used ones for sale, I typically see loose rods, poorly fitted rods, ones with vice-grip marks all along, hammered, bent, and binding rods. I've seen rods that were clamped in a vice and squished so that they jammed up when you tried to open the action. I've seen hammer marks, ball-peen divits, and holes. I've seen most every type of user-inflicted damage. As much as I love guns, I can't bear to see any more butchered revolvers.
 
One note of warning.

The older S&W revolver ejector rods had right hand threads. The newer and current ones have LEFT hand threads. So if removing the ejector rod, don't really mess things up by putting on the muscle until you make sure which way to turn. AFAIK, all the newer (left hand) rods have a groove behind the knurling on the rod, so check that first.

FWIW, I also agree that straightening an ejector rod is well within the capability of anyone with even a little mechanical sense. At worst, you will have to order a new one.

Jim
 
Jim just made the point that I was trying to get across. Over the years S&W has made several changes to the ejector rod, including but not limited to right vs. left hand threads. I have an original parts catalog put out during the early-middle 1930's that requests (O.K., insists) that the gun owner return the broken part when ordering a new one to insure the right replacement will be sent. Until one knows the exact model and approximate date it was made any advise on what too do is coming from left field so far as buying new parts are concerned.
 
I'm not a metal worker either, Badger.

"Since he said he wanted to go to a smith in the first place and that he wanted to know if he needed a 'name brand' smith, I'd suggest he doesn't feel that he has the skills to do the job in the first place."

I disagree. I'd suggest that he simply didn't know how simple a process straightening the rod can be, how few tools it takes, and how little specialized experience or knowledge it requires other than the ability to work slowly and methodically.

"But if he tries and gets it "Close" then he's likely to still have a revolver out of time."

Timing has nothing to do with this issue, really, unless the rod is so badly bent that it won't allow the cylinder to index at all. Then the gun's not going to fire in the first place, Badger.

And even if it's "close," it's still closer than before, which means that the situation is measurably better than it was before.

"Mike, how many Smith & Wesson's have you seen with damaged ejector rods?"

I've already answered that question. I've personally worked on 5 if I'm counting correctly.

The worst one I worked on had a deflection of nearly 5/16" (IIRC) that resulted when the owner dropped it on a concrete floor. It was badly damaged enough that the cylinder wouldn't index.

From start to finish it took me less than an hour to get the rod perfectly straight again, as evidenced by rolling it across a true flat surface.

The only thing that one has to watch for in doing this is that you don't strike the rod hard enough to lengthen it, which would require recutting the length to adjust the headspace.


"As much as I love guns, I can't bear to see any more butchered revolvers."

That's why you do it in the manner that I've described above, the manner that is described in the Kuhnhausen book, and the manner that Gary was taught in his gunsmithing school.

That manner is the CORRECT way to straighten an ejector rod.

Go back and read my original message.


Please note exactly what I said in it.

Did I recommend whacking away with a ball pein hammer? No.

Did I recommend squishing the rod in a large bench vise? No.

Did I recommend grapping it as hard as possble with the unpadded laws of an 8" vise grip? No.

I have to question, though, why you're advocating the purchase of new parts but NOT a trip to a gunsmith when to replace the old parts Peter will have to unscrew the old rod and screw in the new rod, which to achieve proper tension will require the use of pliers?

Does that thought not send tremors down your spine? :)

I recommend squishing the end of the rod in the largest bench that can be found, and turning the cylinder with an 18" pipe wrench to which you've added another 24" of iron pipe cheater... :D

You can't get that too tight! :neener:

Oh yeah, whack it a few times with a ball pein hammer for good luck. ;)
 
UNCLE!
Timing has nothing to do with this issue, really, unless the rod is so badly bent that it won't allow the cylinder to index at all. Then the gun's not going to fire in the first place, Badger.
Why does he have a hitch in the double action pull if timing is correct. Not being a professional gunsmith, maybe I used the wrong term? Don't know. BTW, for the amature gunsmith, I'd suggest just simple pliars, not vice-grips. That means more business for gunsmiths in the long run, eh? Also, ball-pein hammers are overrated. One should ALWAYS use 16oz framing hammers... you know the kind with the knurled surface so the rod doesn't roll all over the table while you're WHACKING THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS out of it.

:what:
 
BTW: this is the type of gunsmithing I cringe when I see: Note that this individual probably used a smooth-faced framing hammer to whack the living daylights out of the rear sight to install it then center-punched the crap out of the front of the dovetail to keep it in there? OUCH! I'd take this gun to a smith and have it milled for a low-profile sight just to hide the butcher job I see there.

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Badger,

Timing concerns lockup of the action and alignment of the chamber to the bore.

A hitch caused by a bent rod dragging doesn't necessarily have to affect the lock up or alignment; in none of the cases I've worked on did the bent rod affect the lockup or alignment.

That said, however, not correcting a bent rod, over a long period of time COULD sufficiently wear the cylinder bolt and stress the yoke and cause enough wear on the hand or indexing teeth that timing COULD be affected. That said, however, reducing the amount of bend in the rod, even if it's not perfect, will dramatically reduce the rate at which that wear will occur.

Unfortunately, I can't see the picture right now as I'm behind a very stringent firewall.

As for sights, some years ago I saw an early (pre-1910) Savage Model 1899 with very very nice wood and octagonal barrel -- probably a good solid $1,200 rifle.

Someone over the years had added a scope to it. OK, take off a couple hundred.

The scope bases were brazed in place, and not well, either. Ok, take of a thousand...

So don't make me get out the acetylene torch, pal...
 
Thanks for all of the information.

I will take it to a good smith here in town. I just did not know what I was getting into. It is not that I am not willing but the gun is kind of special.


It is a Registered Magnum from the middle 30's and it is my new little baby.


I am not going to test out my metalworking ability on a Registered!



Again thank you very much for the education and all of the very detailed advice. It makes it much easier to understand what the smith is going to do to my new favorite little baby!
 
Peter:

If you were to check with Roy Jinks at the S&W factory I suspect he might know of a source for a replacement extractor rod and center pin to fit your original .357 Magnum.

I believe the same parts were used in other N-frame models of that period, including the .38/44 Heavy Duty and 1917. Both were produced in considerable numbers.

Also check with Numrich/The Gun Parts Corporation at www.e-gunparts.com While they don't catalog the extractor rod they still might have a few. Enquire by e-mail.
 
Thanks I will try them out. I already talked to Roy about the gun. It has a rather "odd" history to it, but I am trying to pound out the facts.

Anyway, I have found that parts are expensive. $200 for a set of original grips! Yikes! I will email e-gunparts this weekend when I can take my time.

Thanks again.
 
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