Beretta 92 or Taurus 1911 9mm for target shooting

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Hello Everyone

I just joined and hope you will forgive such a newbie question. I am former military, but not in LE. I shoot about once a week for fun and to be proficient. I have a Beretta Cougar 9mm for home defense (boat defense actually) which I like a great deal, but am looking for a second gun specifically for target shooting. No competitions, just for my personal best. Generally 50ft.

With the Cougar, I can shoot 3 inch groups pretty reliably at 21 ft and get about 90% of the rounds in 6 inches at 50ft, standing, no support. I would like to do better.

I have looked and shot a number of guns, 38 special, .45, .40 and 9mm. 9mm is my cal of choice for its cost and effectiveness. I have looked at and tried a few guns and found that I am not interested in the CZ, EAA or Browning HP. I had a SIG 226 9mm...shot it really well, but in the end just did not want to keep it.

My short list is the Beretta 92FS or a 1911 frame 9mm, cost for each about $650 online or discount shop. Though the Springfield 1911 9mm seems great, I think the cost is out of my budget right now, so a 1911 framed 9mm would likely be the Taurus 1911 9mm.

I was wondering what other people's opinions might be as to which of the two would be the most fun and more accurate, out of the box. I do not wish to do much gunsmithing to it right now, that would blow the budget.

I think the Beretta is a very slick gun, well designed and well thought out. The grip seems very good in my hands. I like having a decocker. It seems to be a proven shooter and well understood with a good deal of after market things for it. Not too sure about how well the barrel mates to the front bushing of the slide and how this may or may not affect accuracy.

I shot a friends accurized .45 1911....and ....for whatever reason...was just amazing with it on the very first try. 2 inch group at 21ft (or maybe I dreamt this). I liked the grip and the trigger. Really do wish the 1911 frame had a decocker, but I understand how to clear this weapon, the safety on it and how to keep it safe. I do wonder if the 1911 is inherently an accurate design ...or ...if...perhaps more likely...it simply lends itself to a good deal of 'smithing that eventually makes it accurate.

I wonder if the 92 might be a more versitile weapon overall, then a 1911.

I wonder if perhaps an advantage of getting a Taurus 1911 9mm would be that I could later get a slide assembly for making the weapon a .45 and thus have two guns?

I realize this question has been asked before and beg forgiveness for asking again. I have tried to read the past threads and have learned a great deal. It would be helpful to hear from those who have owned and shot both. I would love to have both, but I cannot.

My best regards,

John
 
well, with the beretta you could share the ammo between it and the cougar. cost of ammo is just somethin to think about
 
Hello

Thank you very kindly for the note. Yes, cost of ammo IS significant for me. This is why I was thinking about perhaps a 1911 framed 9mm...but wonder if there is no real advantage in this and the Beretta 92 would be better in some way.

Thanks

J
 
Since you're thinking about the Taurus line, anyway, check out their PT92. It's a kissin' cousin to the Beretta 92, but with a frame mounted safety/decocker instead of slide mounted. Too, it's a couple hundred less -- that's a lot of ammo, esp in 9mm! The PT92 is generally well regarded, even by folks who are less appreciative of Taurus' products.

that all said & done, you're talking two different platforms - the 92 is a DA/SA trigger; the 1911 is SA only. The 92 trigger is good, but the transition of DA to SA from 1st to 2nd shot throws some people off. The 1911 trigger is the same every time, first to last shot. Up to you...trigger preference, decocker availability, grip/feel - these are things you'll have to decide.

Too bad the CZ doesn't do it for you. To me, that's the best DA/SA gun I've ever fired, including the Beretta 92.

Q
 
Well.. neither. When I think of target shooting I think accuracy, and neither of your listed guns are even near the top of that game even in the respective price range. I wouldn't really expect either to shoot significantly better than your cougar.

Although I do believe from the experiences of fellow members here and other friends that the Taurus 1911 models do work, they are in no way a target gun. I've inspected some personally, and found them to be very sloppy in some areas of construction. As 1911 go , they sure aren't built for extreme accuracy.

As for the Beretta 92, double that statement. Very good combat guns, that are just "combat accurate". It's just not a gun you'll ever see a factory standard model of in any serious competition, and for good reason.

Don't get me wrong, I would own either gun without complaint, but they have their place and accurate target shooting just isn't it.
 
since we are all talking taurus why not consider the 24/7 and the 24/7 pro. or for the other way of skinning this cat, buy the taurus 1911 in .38 super and a drop-in 9mm barrel. a storm lake barrel is probably $160 and would drop right in. a little more cash, but you get the delights of shooting .38 super. my two cents...
 
For accuracy work, the SA action of the 1911 is hard to beat. On the other hand, if the second gun will be used as a trainer for the Cougar, then perhaps a DA/SA action is preferable.
 
I can't think of any centerfire auto in that price range that would be target accurate. However, there are plenty of options for target accurate .22s. You could get a Buckmark or a Mark III and have money left over, or if you looked really really hard, you might even be able to find a used Model 41 or Sig Trailside. If you're wanting to shrink your group size, quantity of practice is key, and there's no better way to do it than .22.

If you're set on a centerfire, though, I'd go with the 1911. As you said, there are a variety of smithing options out there to increase accuracy. If you got a low-end 1911, you could have a few of these things done over time to build up its accuracy - fitted bushing, barrel, etc. The PT1911 wouldn't be my choice for this, though. The ones I have handled have the worst 1911 trigger I've come across, with lots of creep and vague, mushy break. The Rock Island 1911s I've handled have very stiff triggers, but a very clean break. I think I'd prefer one of those. Don't know if they make one in 9mm though.
 
$650 for a 92f, seems high to me, but maybe not in your area. Triggers on the 1911 can be some of the best for target shooting, the Taurus' would need some work. The 92f is a great all around pistol, you would not be disappointed in it if you liked the SIG P226 it shoots as well and is a nicer looking gun (I prefer the SIG to my Beretta).
Too bad you won't consider the CZ 75B it cost about 500 to 750 rounds less than your "A list ". If ammo cost is a concern then a good .22 target pistol or a conversion is you ticket ( as far as I know there is no conversion for the 92f), Beretta does make a high end plinker called the model 87T or target, available for around your stated price.
Magazine availability and price are a major concern for me personally and the Beretta 92f magazines are both plentiful and cheap. I would never have given up the SIG, but added others, you should try and buy lots of different types of pistols, you can never have too many, and it's never too early to start your collection.
 
Hello

Thank you for the thoughtful replies. I realize I am asking for much in the $650 range, but I do not have much money.

I would be interested in some other recommendations in that range, I am still open.

As for the CZ, I have read many good posts on them, they do seem an excellent model, however the one or two magazine reviews with shooting results demonstrated that it was no more accurate than the Beretta 92. I shy away from it because I am concerned about its resale value, should I not like it.

Looking at the parts diagram for the Taurus 1911, it concerned me too, but all the reviews on it have been glowing. I would be very interested to know if there was a better 1911 9mm in the same price range.

Thanks

J
 
As far as I know, the 9mm Taurus is still vaporware. I bought my last Springfield 9mm 1911 for less than $600, lightly used. My two Kimber 9mm 1911s were just over seven bills.

The Kimbers, in particular, are superb shooters.
 
i agree with the person who says to consider the Taurus 92. I have one and it's a GREAT pistol. Very accurate, superb trigger, perfect reliability, and perfectly weighted. Plus it's at least 100 dollars cheaper than the Beretta (and it's the same gun). It's a great target pistol. It's obviously not a custom, but it's more accurate than I am and will put a very tight group together from a rest.

The Taurus 45 is a good pistol. WalMart sometimes sells the winchester white box of 45's for about 15 dollars a box. They sell the hollow points for 19.95. However, you can get boxes of 9mm for about 8 bucks a box at walmart. That's half price.

Get the Stainless (polished aluminum and steel) 92AFS from Taurus. You won't regret it.
 
Oh, the 650.00 for the Beretta FS is way high. It should be at least 100.00 cheaper. I can go to any number of shops in or near birmingham al and get that exact pistol for about 500.00 no haggle + tax. The Taurus PT92 afs is about 450.00 at Academy Sports.
 
Hi Everyone

Thanks for the responses. I think a used Springfield 1911 in 9mm could be a good consideration.

It does seem that there is a diversity of opinion regarding the 92. Reviews on the accuracy of both the Beretta and Taurus 92 have been very good and shown very good out of the box accuracy. It is certainly not a dedicated target gun, such as a SIG X and the custom 1911's, but it is 1/3 the price....which is the goal...to find a good pistol in that range that would be a good target pistol....for that price. Most reviews show 2.5-3" groups at 25 yrds. The CZ review (handgunsmag.com) showed the same, no better. SIG 226 was around 2.6" groups....very nice....and I did shoot it very well...just something about it that I did not like...not sure what it was.

I think one reason for asking is that to me, some guns are easier to shoot more accurately than others. The 1911 .45 I borrowed was very easy to shoot well....I am not sure why. My Cougar has taken some practise, it was difficult to shoot well at first, but after changing my grip and getting a little better understanding of the trigger, I have much better luck with it now. I think the 92 grip and trigger are better (and I do need to change the spring to the D spring...would do that on a 92 as well).

The Beretta 92 is used in target and practical shooting competitions (probably modified), as is the 226, and many custom 1911's. It seemed to shoot fine for me when I used an M9. I still wonder about the barrel lock up and the trigger is just not the finest.... but I could live with it.

Any other suggestions for the price range? Other 1911 model 9mm's that would be in that range??

Appreciate all.

Thank you

J
 
I've read here that the owners of the EA WITNESS really compliment the accuracy of those pistols. I'd like to have one. Word of mouth is good on them.
 
Check gunbroker for a new / used Beretta... NIB or LNIB should be around $525 give or take depending on how long you want to hunt for a deal.

I will never buy a Taurus, but that is just my preference and I'm not wanting to start a debate over that. There are many happy Taurus owners, and there are a lot of people like me that will never touch one.

I go shooting once a week (or at least try to), and I almost always take my 92FS. It is very accurate, very easy to clean, and very reliable (have not had a single malfunction). My only gripe is I wish more could be done with the trigger, it's not bad but it could be better. I've read that changing out to a "D" model spring lightens things up a bit, but I haven't had the time to make that swap.

Don't get me wrong, I love 1911's too and own several of them. They can be more versatile too I often take my .45 and a .22 conversion kit with me to the range. You can also change it out to another caliber, but to make a .45 go to a 9mm I believe you would have to change the ejector.
 
Even though I prefer American engineered as well as American made I would definately recommend (A) Beretta before a Taurus. The resale value alone makes it the better choice. The only complaint I've ever had towards Beretta is their garbage grip screws. You would be better off to take it to machinist and buy replacement screws from... or her.
 
I would really love to be able to have both a Beretta AND a 1911 .45 or 9mm. Wish I could, but just cannot. Perhaps someday. For now, I need to stick to 9mm and one or the other...or perhaps another handgun that would be better suited for my purpose of target shooting to get to my own personal best.

I understand that the Taurus 92 is a very good model, but would stick with getting a Beretta, if I do go the 92 route. Resale is a significant factor. The other is that there is simply much more available for it, new springs, sights, grips etc...all very easy to find. I like the fact that there are a lot of grip options out there for it.

The Beretta trigger does get better with age. Got my Cougar new and could feel a difference in just the first 500 rounds. Have shot older Beretta's and can feel their triggers have smoothed out. Still....not quite as good as an old SIG and well done 1911.

The Beretta 92 balance and grip feel good to me (better than the SIG 226...to me).

I guess the big issue is that SO many people have and shoot 1911's for pleasure, target and carry. I like the frame, not sure I see anything magical in it, would love to have one, but wonder if it is really better than a 92. Certainly any expensive, high end, match grade, competition one would be...no argument there...but....for me....just for shooting my personal best...I have to stick with a gun that costs under $600. And I am concerned that might be hard to find in a good, accurate 1911 framed 9mm, such as the Springfield (just looked and could not find a used one..online...for $600).

Thanks

J
 
Id get the Beretta. 1911s in 9mm are all well and good but I have heard too many reports of trouble. Maybe the bugs have been worked out but I guess as long as the BHP exists I am not going to look into a 9mm 1911. Stick with 45 or 38 Super on that platform.
 
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