Beretta 92

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Best add on for the Beretta 92? The factory target kit if you are lucky enough to ever find one.

Only a few hundred made it into the US. Getting difficult to find them.



This is mine, I also have the Beretta .22LR factory conversion kit in there also.

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The 92A1 is somewhat of an oddity in the Beretta 92 line-up. It has a recoil buffer and the slide cannot be put on any of the other guns in the 92 series. When you look at the guns in the 92 series, note the take down button on the 92A1. It is round, while all the other models have an oval button (not counting the 96A1, if it is still available).

http://www.beretta.com/en-us/beretta-92-series/

When it first came out, the 92A1 was the only non-Brigadier that gave you the dovetailed sight (and rail, but who really cares about a rail:)). Since then Beretta has introduced other non-Brigadier offerings with the dovetailed front sight, but are compatible with other guns. I expect the 92A1's remaining life span to be relatively short.
So... forgive me but what was the point of the 92A1, and what differences does it have compared to the M9A1? Why did they put a new buffer system in only the 92A1? Thanks for the info.
 
Here - I wrote this a few years ago - it explains the differences... However - I wrote it BEFORE the M9A3 came out... Now, the M9A3 is my favorite railed Beretta variant!


M9A1 - Railed frame with a 92FS slide (3 dot sights). The front of the frame (where the rail is at) looks like the Vertec model. But it has the standard 92FS grip. The magwell also has a slight bevel, and the rear and front backstraps have a light checkering on them. Available in 9mm only, and this gun is only made in the USA.

This gun comes with two specially PVD coated 15 round magazines (which are expensive when bought separately).

I think the M9A1 is the coolest LOOKING railed model. But, the checkering is not deep on the frame, like it is on a 1911. I personally prefer the regular serrations, as I find that they give a better grip purchase.



90-Two - Commonly known as the "90-Dash-Two" or "The Dash." This is a redesigned version of the 92FS that came out in 2006. The slide and frame were redesigned. The guiderod is captured, and there is a recoil buffer built into the frame. It also has a front, dovetailed sight. Several of the small parts are totally different from the standard 92 design (hammer, mag release, trigger bar, slide safety switches).

The biggest difference is the grip. While the gun is not polymer, it does come with a polymer, slip on grip. This gun will be in limited production for 2011 (so get one now if you want one). There is hardly any aftermarket support, and the lack of aftermarket grips is really hurting sales. These are ONLY made in Italy. Available in 9mm and 40 cal. The gun comes with factory 17 round mags (in 9mm)

(I personally do not like the polymer grip - too slippery. I tried several solutions to this issue, but found none worthwhile)



92A1 - Newest release of the 92 - Released in the summer of 2010. This design takes some of the best aspects of the 90-Two... The rail, internal recoil buffer and dovetailed front sight (all great changes), and puts it into a more "normal" 92 frame. The 92A1 (and 96A1) will use standard Beretta 92 grips. The trigger guard is curved; however, like that of the 90-Two. The guiderod is also captured (which is a pro or con, depending on who you ask).

In addition - the slide is a little bit beefier than a standard 92 slide.

The gun is available in 9mm and 40 cal (the 96A1), and the 9mm version comes with THREE 17 round factory mags (the same mags that come with the 90-Two). These guns are only made in Italy.

This is a such better choice to the 90-TWO, IMHO. Also, the 92A1 balances the best in a 1 handed grip out of any of the railed models. I also personally find the 92A1 is my second fav Beretta 92 variant - right behind the standard 92FS (which balances the best 1 handed, IMHO).

There is also finally aftermarket night sights for the 92A1 from Trijicon now. And, while others may disagree - I personally like the regular front and rear strap serrations over the checkering on the M9A1. The checkering is rather shallow - so its not nearly as grippy as checkering on a 1911. I think the standard serrations on the front and back strap give a better grip.
 
I think for full disclosure you should admit you're a total Beretta slut, just saying

Yes indeed.

I just got my 92A1 slide back from Trijicon yesterday, and I shot it a little while ago. When they sent it back the first time, it was shooting 1.5 inches low at 7 yards. I sent it back, and now it's FINALLY at the right POA/POI. It was just annoying that I started that oddessy back in May. Having to send it in 2x took awhile. This 2nd time was even longer.

But, it works now. That is what counts.

I told them I have owned 29 Beretta 92 variants over the past 20+ years now. And, I shot my M9A3 at the same time as the 92A1 - I KNOW it's not me. It was the sights :)

No one can tell me it's my fault on that - as I know how to shoot a Beretta :)
 
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I told them I have owned 29 Beretta 92 variants over the past 20+ years now. And, I shot my M9A3 at the same time as the 92A1 - I KNOW it's not me. It was the sights

No one can tell me it's my fault on that - as I know how to shoot a Beretta

Indeed, there's absolutely no doubt (at least in my mind), that you are the definitive source for all things Beretta Model 92!

Time for another Ruota della Fortuna-Beretta style!
 
Thanks. So the M9A1 is pretty close to the A3 but DOESN'T have dovetailed front sights?

I shot the brig again and it definitely hits about 3-4 inches low at 18 yards. To the point that it is basically unusable for me. Hopefully it's just this particular example.
 
Thanks. So the M9A1 is pretty close to the A3 but DOESN'T have dovetailed front sights?

Well, the M9A1 won't have the threaded barrel like the M9A3 has....

It also won't have the D spring already installed, the factory night sights, and it won't have a metal trigger, metal extended mag release, or the metal safety levers that are angled higher than normal. And, it won't have the factory "massaged" trigger (M9A3 trigger is the smoothest out of the box factory trigger - they apparently have done some polishing).
 
I just wished Beretta also released an all black model of the M9A3. Though the tri-color scheme is pretty cool that they went with.

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I would have opted for the M9A3 if it was not so much more than the Inox I ordered. Effectively, due to the rareness of them the going price is around $1200 best case from what I could find. I will pick one up if I run across a sub-$1000 piece.

For those of you who noted that any of the Beretta's shot low for you (or high, or any other handgun for that matter), I have one questions; Did you shoot only a single bullet weight through it?

Typically the answer is yes, and typically its light. Every gun has a preference for a certain bullet weight that it tends to shoot better than others. Not that you can't get it to shoot, properly, what ever you want. However, bullet weight really has an impact on this and should be tested thoroughly before you generalize how a gun functions based on one example.

When I was handloading, more than I am now, I could tailor a weight and load to a given gun for a given set of ranges that was optimum and get my groups really nice and tight. Then I could go up or down on bullet weight powder volume and type based upon range.

Too often what I see is people picking up what is cheap (nothing wrong with that, but you get what you get) and then having a bad range day and blaming the gun.

Yea, I have run across guns that have inherent problems, but more often than not the inherent problems I encounter in my shooting ... is me.
 
Yes, that is true. But that was a Wilson decision to continue - not Beretta's.

Beretta is being paid to make the gun, so they will continue as long as Wilson pays them, presumably
Not necessarily. Beretta has stopped sending 92 Compact Carrys to Wilson. Wilson complained they had 500 back orders, and Beretta told them to cancel those.

I had a Wilson Brigadier Tactical from the original 1000. I ended up letting it go when I started seeing serial numbers in the 3500 range. So much for being anything special. My keeper though is my 1994 Italian made 92 Compact L. I love that pistol.
 
Not necessarily. Beretta has stopped sending 92 Compact Carrys to Wilson. Wilson complained they had 500 back orders, and Beretta told them to cancel those.

Well, Beretta and Wilson reps have been asked this on the Beretta Forum, and no real answer was given by them on why they stopped the compact sales from Wilson. So, we really don't know what the story is...

I was thinking that the sales may not have been sufficient compared to the Brig Tactical - but who knows.
 
For those of you who noted that any of the Beretta's shot low for you (or high, or any other handgun for that matter), I have one questions; Did you shoot only a single bullet weight through it?

This is true. However, using target rounds (FMJ), I shoot 115gr FMJ with no issues in POA/POI for target practice in any of the 92 models I have ever owned.... But, I do see this on JHP rounds. My Berettas can shoot some high and some low.

I have switched some of my guns from Hydrashok 124gr to Critical Defense. However, about one out of 7 or 8 Beretta 92 variants I try with Critical Defense shoots that round low. In fact - I tried some thru my 2nd M9A3 yesterday for the first time. It shot low. Yet, the 92A1 I was shooting at the same time shot them fine. And, my first M9A3 shoots them fine.

It's strange - I don't know why. I will be switching to the 124 gr Hydrashok on that second M9A3 on the next range trip to see if it hits where I want it to. But, it is perfectly accurate with 115gr FMJ.

And, I have had an occasional 92FS in the past that shot the Critical Defense low too, and I put a different round for self defense through it. So yes, it is worth checking out.

When I shoot a JHP to see if a gun likes it - I am not just checking for reliability. I am checking for POA/POI issues.

My PX4 compact doesn't like WWB FMJ when it comes to accuracy, but shoots the Blazer Brass FMJ dead on. Sometimes it can be strange like that....
 
I shot the brig again and it definitely hits about 3-4 inches low at 18 yards. To the point that it is basically unusable for me. Hopefully it's just this particular example.

I've found that my 92 really prefers 124 gr ammo, and that it helps raise the POI to where I want it. I got really frustrated when I first shot my 92 because I was hitting low. The heavier ammo helped. So if you haven't tried it yet, give some 124 gr ammo a try.

I'm also using the aforementioned Wilson rear sight, which I just don't like so that needs to change. Or I need to practice more.
 
I'm also using the aforementioned Wilson rear sight, which I just don't like so that needs to change. Or I need to practice more.

Before I sold my Brig Tactical from Wilson and got a 2nd M9A3 - I had gotten sick of that rear WIlson sight. I had sent the slide into Trijicon, and they put on a standard 2 dot tritium rear sight on it. I liked it more once the rear sight was changed.

And, it still hit POA/POI for me with 115gr FMJ rounds.
 
I've found that my 92 really prefers 124 gr ammo, and that it helps raise the POI to where I want it. I got really frustrated when I first shot my 92 because I was hitting low. The heavier ammo helped. So if you haven't tried it yet, give some 124 gr ammo a try.

For those of you who noted that any of the Beretta's shot low for you (or high, or any other handgun for that matter), I have one questions; Did you shoot only a single bullet weight through it?

Typically the answer is yes, and typically its light. Every gun has a preference for a certain bullet weight that it tends to shoot better than others. Not that you can't get it to shoot, properly, what ever you want. However, bullet weight really has an impact on this and should be tested thoroughly before you generalize how a gun functions based on one example.

I was shooting full power plated 124s and WWB 147 JHPs.

When I shoot a couple P226s, FN Hi Power, M&P CORE 9L, Glock 19, Beretta 92FS, P-38, M&P Shield, Glock 43, Kahr PM9, etc. with this ammo it hits to POA. With the 92FS Brigadier it hits 3-4 inches low. I am comfortable with my evaluation. If it were my pistol (it's a loaner) I'd have to change out the sights. which I'd do anyway because 3-dots annoy me, generally.
 
1KPerDay wrote,
So... forgive me but what was the point of the 92A1, and what differences does it have compared to the M9A1? Why did they put a new buffer system in only the 92A1? Thanks for the info.
I don't know if Shipwreck answer your question in his post, and I'm only speculating, but I think the 92A1 just a tagged along to the 96A1 as Beretta wanted to get a .40 S&W gun, that wouldn't quickly self destruct, back into the market. The gun is better set up for .40 S&W, and at the time it gave Beretta a railed gun with dovetailed sights, so you might as well chamber it in 9mm too. Now that Beretta has those bases covered with other models, I think the 92A1 will go away soon. Just my speculation.
 
Shipwreck, I still say having two M93A's is unfair and you should really thoughtfully consider selling me one!

I don't have enough for a wheel, so I have to settle for a .... not up on my geometric shapes, so whatever this is of PX4's.

Hopefully my Brigadier Inox will be in soon.

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Edit: oh and I can not be arsed to label pictures so;
Top Left: PX4 FS (Custom cut safety levers, D-Spring & G conversion, stainless steel guide rod, wrap around grip)
Bottom Left: PX4 Compact (Triji night sights, D-spring & G conversion, with stealth levers and stealth single side slide release)
Top Right: PX4-SD (XS post night sights, D-spring & G conversion)
Bottom Right: PX4 Sub Compact (Triji night sights, D-Spring & G conversion, stealth levers, X-Grip extension and 17 round mag)
 
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