I recently picked up an HK and a Beretta, for fun at the range and HD. Let me start by saying that both guns are VERY nice, accurate and reliable. But here's the thing I didn't expect - I really like the Beretta more. The grip on the HK feels better to me, and I prefer it's safety, but my results are actually better with the 92 and I think it's due to a smoother and crisper trigger on the 92. Given the extreme difference in cost I'm considering dumping the HK...but I really want to like it. Has anyone else experienced this with an HK? I'm wondering if I can do anything to help the trigger. I have 2k dry fires on the HK but the trigger is basically the same. Should I move on from the HK and focus on the 92 or keep trying? On a lot of threads people seem to almost universally prefer the Hk to the beretta so I also question what I'm missing with respect to the HK.
Beretta 92fs vs HK P30
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JTQ
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Under "extreme use" I'm confident the H&K is the more durable gun. I'm pretty sure I'll never be in such an extreme situation where I could take advantage of the H&K's durability advantage. If I was deciding between the two, I may be persuaded by the Beretta price advantage, but if I owned both, I'm sure I'd keep both.
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I wondered which trigger your HK has that is so different from the Beretta's, the LEM? I shoot both pistols well and really like how they handle. I see more similarity than difference, but that's just opinion.
If after 2000 trigger pulls you don't like the HK then I doubt anything is going to change. If you don't like it - sell it. I'd keep it and enjoy both. Two world class pistols is better than one.
If after 2000 trigger pulls you don't like the HK then I doubt anything is going to change. If you don't like it - sell it. I'd keep it and enjoy both. Two world class pistols is better than one.
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I have 2 H&K pistols and can shoot them much better than my Brother's 92. If you can shoot the Beretta better, than that should answer your question.
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Send your HK to Bill Springfield for a trigger job. The work he did on my HK made a huge difference.
http://www.triggerwork.net
http://www.triggerwork.net
Thanks for the replies. To be fair, it's not that the HK is bad. I may just give it more time and practice. I'm also going to look into trigger options. The P30 is their standard DA/SA not the LEM. The first pull is quite heavy and that's what's hurting me the most. Appreciate all the advice that's come in so far.
I am in the same general boat. After listening to the vast praise for the HK P30 a local dealer had a couple lightly used for as good of a price as I had seen. After handling them, I really didn't come away blown away. It wasn't a bad gun in any way, it simply didn't do anything that I found couldn't be done for a fraction of the cost, with mags that run a fraction of the cost of HK mags, and with greater parts availability in other options. Maybe it was the buzz about the pistol I simply expected more than was realistic. Either way, it was passed on and a different make and model was bought instead. They are good guns without a doubt but they weren't a stand out for my uses.
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I've got a 92 compact no rail and a P30 with the LEM trigger. I have more time with the 92 compact but I'm starting to be more accurate with the P30. Slow single action fire with the 92 from further away, draw and quick fire goes to the P30. I have short stubby fingers which makes the 92 grip and trigger reach at the upper limit for me while the P30 fits my hand better. That makes it point better and makes the difference in quick fire, and with practice I'm getting better from distance with the P30. If I had larger hands I'd have a hard time picking one over the other. One other plus for the P30 is clean time. I'm pretty OCD when it comes to cleaning and the P30 takes less time to get squeaky clean. I understand your confusion. I'm keeping both. There is no wrong decision here. Good luck.
The trigger pull for a Beretta 92FS is roughly between 6-8# in SA, and 10-15# in DA.
HK's DA/SA trigger is 11lbs DA and 4lbs SA.
Back in 1985. HK didn't even have the USP yet.
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The P30 has a terrible DA trigger, just really bad. Mine is the 'S' version (P30S) with a manual safety and separate decocker button and I CCW it cocked-and-locked, so I never use the DA function at all. If I cared about DA and carried hammer down on a live round I'd either get the LEM, send the gun to Gray Guns or choose a different sidearm. The DA pull is better on the USP line but still not as nice as the DA trigger of a 92.
On the other hand, it's probably almost as good as my HK USC. $1600 carbine with only 10 rounds mags and a trigger that feels like a staple gun!
On the other hand, it's probably almost as good as my HK USC. $1600 carbine with only 10 rounds mags and a trigger that feels like a staple gun!
First question: What sight picture are you using for your HK and for your 92? they have different sight alignments. the 92 uses 6'oclock and the HK uses dead on. At close range the effect is minimal, but at long range it is very noticeable. (I will try to find a picture link for it.)
Second: is your P30 the long slide or short? That may be a difference as well. This gives a different sight length.
I have had my 92FS jam in high humidity night shoots. So much to the point I swore I would never carry it. I enjoy shooting it and do shoot it very well at all distances.
none of my HK's ever jammed on in any of the various shooting scenarios I have trained in.
But, if you shoot your 92 better, then that is the gun for you. Your comfort and ability to shoot is more important than other peoples opinions on it.
Second: is your P30 the long slide or short? That may be a difference as well. This gives a different sight length.
I have had my 92FS jam in high humidity night shoots. So much to the point I swore I would never carry it. I enjoy shooting it and do shoot it very well at all distances.
none of my HK's ever jammed on in any of the various shooting scenarios I have trained in.
But, if you shoot your 92 better, then that is the gun for you. Your comfort and ability to shoot is more important than other peoples opinions on it.
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I have shot the P30, and while I like HK's, I didn't like the trigger. There was a lot of take up, even in single action. I shot one side my side with my P7M8, and the triggers were worlds apart. Needles to say I prefer the SA trigger on my P7's.
The 92FS is a nice, full size service pistol, no matter what the haters say.
The 92FS is a nice, full size service pistol, no matter what the haters say.
then you looked int he wrong place for the trigger job.
I have the factory LEM trigger on my USP (double action only.) I replaced the trigger return spring. It was $50 bucks for the spring and install at a local gun store, which was too much... the spring is only $10 bucks...
The trigger on the P30 was designed for contract requirements for a government agency. No, i dont know which one.
I prefer the ergonomics of the P30 but the USP is my favorite to shoot. I shoot the 92FS well though.
The HK VP9 is out next month and is striker fired with a light trigger and short take up... and it has the P30 ergonomics....
I have the factory LEM trigger on my USP (double action only.) I replaced the trigger return spring. It was $50 bucks for the spring and install at a local gun store, which was too much... the spring is only $10 bucks...
The trigger on the P30 was designed for contract requirements for a government agency. No, i dont know which one.
I prefer the ergonomics of the P30 but the USP is my favorite to shoot. I shoot the 92FS well though.
The HK VP9 is out next month and is striker fired with a light trigger and short take up... and it has the P30 ergonomics....
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