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Soap, how would you rate the recoil and muzzle climb between the PX4 and the XDm?
Beretta Px4 Storm - Pros & Cons?
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From what I remember they were very close. When I shot all three side by side my M&P was noticeably more sharp than the other 2 (XDm and PX4) all with the same ammo. Muzzle climb was more noticeable on the M&P also. But I believe the PX4 was slightly less but it was nearly unnoticeable unless you shoot both for a while...I mean we are talking a hair less...unless you are looking for it and even if your are it was so hard to tell. It has been a while since I shot all three at the same time. I do shoot the XDm and the M&P side by side a lot. The more I shot the XDm the more I like it. Might be selling the M&P..it is too bad for I have a trigger job, 6 mags, bladetech holster and mag holders and all this other stuff for the M&P it is crazy! Durability of the XDm is very good. One of the guys I know at our local shop has 87k round thru it...yes...87k! He has changed springs but none that have broken...he does it as part of his normal maintenance. He is an excellent shot! One of the best! He has several other 9mm polys and use to be a glock guy. still love the glock but it is in 2nd place for his poly pick 9mm. Oh and he is not a fan of the PX4 at all. He was the one that pointed out the plastic recoil spring guide rod. But has seen a few come back (PX4) with barrel issues.
I just got my Steve Bedair stainless steel guide rod. I ordered the captive spring version. It is made just like the the polymer factory rod. Steve said the cap is threaded to hold the spring in place. Its a bit higher in price but well worth not having to deal with the spring getting loose on me. It was $40.00 vs. $25.00. This guy does great work!!!!
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I have the PX4 Storm in 9mm and .40 cal. I've never had any operational problems in either. I do agree with some other posters that the safety is a little awkward at first, but now it is second nature for us. This is a very good, reliable firearm.
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I also got my 9mm px4 in a few weeks ago...ran 150 rounds through it so far and was pleasantly surprised that the rotating barrel even helped tame the 9mm recoil..haven't had a chance to take it back out again yet, but REALLY liked it. Great shooter..
I like it so much I bought a Lasermax for it that I'm gonna sight in and then send the whole package down to my pops in florida for a late father's day gift. He was looking for a cheap 9mm like a $300 ruger something, but he won't want anything else after he gets this one, I know that for sure..
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I like it so much I bought a Lasermax for it that I'm gonna sight in and then send the whole package down to my pops in florida for a late father's day gift. He was looking for a cheap 9mm like a $300 ruger something, but he won't want anything else after he gets this one, I know that for sure..
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I own two in .40
The older has > 6000 rounds through it, including 1800 during a weekend training course. At that number of rounds, the mag springs are finally getting to where it does not hurt your thumb to get those last two rounds in.
The only fail-to-feeds I have had were with my own "plinking" reloads and in each instance, the round in question failed to fit in a case Gage.
They throw brass with a passion. Somewhere out on the net there is a mod to calm that down a little.
Downside: Only .mil gets hardware to mount a supressor, and that is only on the 45
The older has > 6000 rounds through it, including 1800 during a weekend training course. At that number of rounds, the mag springs are finally getting to where it does not hurt your thumb to get those last two rounds in.
The only fail-to-feeds I have had were with my own "plinking" reloads and in each instance, the round in question failed to fit in a case Gage.
They throw brass with a passion. Somewhere out on the net there is a mod to calm that down a little.
Downside: Only .mil gets hardware to mount a supressor, and that is only on the 45
I shot the decocker + safety model (I don't remember which letter designation that is) that a friend brought to my house to shoot. It was in .40. I loved it. Shot great, very accurate, very soft shooting, and it almost made me want one. The only thing I don't like about them is they are a little on the bulky side for carry IMO, at least from what I remember (it was when they first came out) and those Superluminova glow in the dark sights would have to be replaced by some tritium sights if I really did want to carry it in spite of its bulk. It would be a great gun for open carry situations (woods, duty pistol, etc), but all in all, from what I remember, I just wouldn't want to carry it.
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I saw a tactical model with the threaded barrel in a shop once. Normal FFL's can order them, My dad has a friend thats an FFL and he gave me a print out of PX4s he could order and the last item was a Tactical model.
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I've got the F model in .40. I've only got about 500 rounds thru it, including 150 or so reloads, and have had no issues whatsoever. I like it.
...and for all of you that keep insisting that it's because of the rotating barrel that the px4 is a soft shooter or that the rotating barrel soaks up recoil,here is my own theory on that:
it's post #24
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/free-range-time/16489-picked-up-beretta-9-today-3.html(despite what beretta themselves claim)
..and to add: the polymer frame and the polymer surrounded "tub" should help with recoil beyond how the cougar feels,but only just a hair.
i am one of those that thinks the px4 is a "soft" shooter,but i also think people are exaggerating. i mean,it's not like your shooting a .22lr with a gun that weighs 40 oz..(or even close to that)
i'm waiting on the inox version. my plan for it is to replace what i currently use for HD and/or night stand. i just like it's recoil impulse(for the middle of the night when i'm half asleep),it's still relatively light and appreciate how beretta makes it easy to get or make 20rd mags and their D-spring that is a factory/stock part and not an after-market part,so it has no "trigger job" done to it.
..not for carry though. it can't come close or even "touch" the p99 AS for that.(on many levels,including but not limited to the p99 AS stock trigger,even when compared after adding the D-spring to the px4)(for me)
i think the px4 is awesome and beretta has a great product here but it has been real slow for people to realize this with other brands so firmly established. there's alot of quality built into it too. i chuckle a little every time someone says that the rotating barrel may be unreliable or that it needs an excessive amount of lube for it to be reliable. apparently these people are not aware of the fine details of this particular beretta rotating barrel system that actually contributes to reliability,especially compared with other rotating barreled guns that have come in the past or others that are being produced today.(there's a difference and it's all in the details,..lots of details)
it's post #24
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/free-range-time/16489-picked-up-beretta-9-today-3.html(despite what beretta themselves claim)
..and to add: the polymer frame and the polymer surrounded "tub" should help with recoil beyond how the cougar feels,but only just a hair.
i am one of those that thinks the px4 is a "soft" shooter,but i also think people are exaggerating. i mean,it's not like your shooting a .22lr with a gun that weighs 40 oz..(or even close to that)
i'm waiting on the inox version. my plan for it is to replace what i currently use for HD and/or night stand. i just like it's recoil impulse(for the middle of the night when i'm half asleep),it's still relatively light and appreciate how beretta makes it easy to get or make 20rd mags and their D-spring that is a factory/stock part and not an after-market part,so it has no "trigger job" done to it.
..not for carry though. it can't come close or even "touch" the p99 AS for that.(on many levels,including but not limited to the p99 AS stock trigger,even when compared after adding the D-spring to the px4)(for me
)i think the px4 is awesome and beretta has a great product here but it has been real slow for people to realize this with other brands so firmly established. there's alot of quality built into it too. i chuckle a little every time someone says that the rotating barrel may be unreliable or that it needs an excessive amount of lube for it to be reliable. apparently these people are not aware of the fine details of this particular beretta rotating barrel system that actually contributes to reliability,especially compared with other rotating barreled guns that have come in the past or others that are being produced today.(there's a difference and it's all in the details,..lots of details)
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The PX4 Storm .40 has become my go to gun. The damn things are amazing shooters, very comfortable and reliable as can be. I keep blasting away and it keeps on spiting out bullets.
I do dislike its batwing safties, I had to adjust my slingshot technique( or use the slide stop ) but worth it for all the pistol's positives.
I do dislike its batwing safties, I had to adjust my slingshot technique( or use the slide stop
) but worth it for all the pistol's positives.
How easy is the slide action? I want my 11 y/o to be able to use it as well at the range. I haven't had the opportunity for him to try one. The Ruger SR9c has a dual spring captured recoil and it is pretty difficult for him to pull the slide back and then also release the slide. The single springs seem easier for him (walther p22, 9mm Springfield 1911, etc).
Batwings are good for him! lol.
Batwings are good for him! lol.
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PX4 .40 Fullsize Type F.
4 years.
3,000 rounds, roughly,
Issues of any kind: 0
There are legit reasons not to get this gun. Some don't like the safety. Some don't like DA/SA.
Reliability is not a reasonable reason to not choose the PX4. It's as reliable as any other brand.
I love mine to bits.
4 years.
3,000 rounds, roughly,
Issues of any kind: 0
There are legit reasons not to get this gun. Some don't like the safety. Some don't like DA/SA.
Reliability is not a reasonable reason to not choose the PX4. It's as reliable as any other brand.
I love mine to bits.
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I've had my PX4 in .40 for almost a year and I've put ~850 rounds through it. I really like how well it points. Initally I wanted a Sig 226, but I found the PX4 while at the big regional sporting goods store. I did my research and i decided to save about $400 by buying the PX4 instead of the 226. I do not regret my decision, as it is a fine piece to plink with...it also resides in my nightstand safe. Someday I still would like a 226, but the PX4 was all the gun I was looking for.
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Since I have well broken-in specimens of both the SR9c and PX4, right here in front of me I did a quick side by side racking of the slides for you
I don't feel a significant difference in the actual force needed to rack the side between the two. There is a HUGE difference in activation of the slide stop/release....the PX4 is much easier. With the Beretta all it takes is a flick of the thumb, the Ruger needs a concentrated effort.
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Sorry if I am taking this off-topic, but it seems that there's plenty of Px4 experts in this thread.
I know that all who own this gun swear by it's accuracy. Everything I read on the net suggests it's a very accurate pistol.
A friend of mine has a Px4 that both of us shoot. It's a beautiful gun and a pleasure to hold and to shoot, but... it's not awfully accurate, both of us have much harder time hitting POA with it than with my G17.
I don't think it's sights issue because the shots are all over; probably more to the lower left but a lot of shots to the right. It's a marked difference when we compare targets from Px4 to the targets from G17. The difference is visible both in the spread of the groups off center (if this makes sense) and the group size.
As I said, I don't think it's the sights. Since both of us are having the same problem, it's not the shooter either. I don't see trigger pull being an issue, the SA pull is not that different from Glock. What else could it be ? Anything to look for ? Are there any known issues with production batches ? The gun is almost brand new and pretty clean, so it's not worn out or fouled up. Thanks !
I know that all who own this gun swear by it's accuracy. Everything I read on the net suggests it's a very accurate pistol.
A friend of mine has a Px4 that both of us shoot. It's a beautiful gun and a pleasure to hold and to shoot, but... it's not awfully accurate, both of us have much harder time hitting POA with it than with my G17.
I don't think it's sights issue because the shots are all over; probably more to the lower left but a lot of shots to the right. It's a marked difference when we compare targets from Px4 to the targets from G17. The difference is visible both in the spread of the groups off center (if this makes sense) and the group size.
As I said, I don't think it's the sights. Since both of us are having the same problem, it's not the shooter either. I don't see trigger pull being an issue, the SA pull is not that different from Glock. What else could it be ? Anything to look for ? Are there any known issues with production batches ? The gun is almost brand new and pretty clean, so it's not worn out or fouled up. Thanks !
My PX4 9mm is one of the most accurate guns I own, right up there with my Beretta 92FS and only surpassed by my Nighthawk Talon 1911. I haven't heard of any known production troubles concerning accuracy of the PX4. PX4 sights are POA/POI, you have to put the front sight directly on the center of your target and not at a 6 o'clock hold like some guns.
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My PX4 .40 is deadly accurate. I set up dozens of little 4 inch clay pigeons at about 100 feet frequently and it surgically deals with them.
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I own three PX4's,
A full size, compact, and subcompact, all are 9mm, and all have performed flawlessly. If you decide on the PX4 you will not be disappointed with the accuracy, reliability, or overall performance of the gun. My favorite is the compact. The size is similar to a G19, and fits my hand great.
A full size, compact, and subcompact, all are 9mm, and all have performed flawlessly. If you decide on the PX4 you will not be disappointed with the accuracy, reliability, or overall performance of the gun. My favorite is the compact. The size is similar to a G19, and fits my hand great.
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