Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by IronsightJM, Feb 27, 2020.
Can’t really find any under my budget maybe I’m looking in the wrong places.
Only other route i can think off hand is build a cheap ar15 for under 400.
I now have a Remington 783 that I paid $300 after a rebate if I remember correctly. The first one I picked up shot terrible, keyholing at 100 yards, so Remington replaced it. The stock and magazine are nicer than the Ruger, and I have shot the Federal 62 grain 5.56 ammo in it without a problem. They are a 1:9 twist and I have shot the 70 RDF and 62 and 75 Hornady BTHP bullets in it, groups usually average .6-.8 MOA.
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I don't know they both probably have the same 223 Rem chamber specs. They are both similarly strong actions but are both bargain guns. IMHO I would take a 783 over a 700 ADL.
Given the minor differences between the two chambers [223 Rem vs 5.56x45 NATO] if you were motivated enough you could probably get a throat reamer and by hand open the 223 chamber up to 556 freebore and lead angle, its a material safe change going 223 to 556. Probably not worth the effort though unless you have free access to the reamer.
If you want to live it on the edge slightly take your 556 ammo of choice and chamber it in your 223 Rem 783/700 of choice and look for contact between the bullet and the lands. If there is no hard contact give it a shot or two and look for pressure signs.
And i read that about the 5.56 in the .223 marked rifles, but i was not going to suggest that.
As far as 5.56 you will get varied answers. Some do some dont. In a semi auto I'd be less inclined to do so. In a stout bolt action? Up to you
I have the same question.
Specifically I like the 783 better than the 700 ADL. I don't own a 783 and just one 700 but is a custom chassis gun. The ADL just cuts every possible corner on the 700 and thus it just feels too cheap compared to the higher end 700 models. The 783 has a couple features I like. A close top receiver so you have one continuous surface for your scope mounts/pic-rail, even on the bargain bottom version of the 783 you still get a magazine (not a blind magazine of the ADL) and it utilizes a barrel nut so you can change a barrel yourself in your garage. No lathe needed unlike a 700. The 783 is still a bargain rifle for sure but it has a modest amount of room to grow for a fledgling gun tinker without breaking the bank.
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The other one I'm aware of, which actually comes in well below $400, is the Thompson/Center Compass II.
As far as the 783, from what I've read Remington has said the don't recommend shooting 5.56 out of their .223 barrels.
Emphasis mine. What do mean by "can"? You want it stamped, or you want to be able to use 5.56 ammo safely?
I shoot NATO spec 5.56 in my Rem 700, and have somehow escaped doom from above. Barring a custom short neck chamber job, any recent-production domestic-design bolt gun will happily digest NATO spec 5.56.
In the incredibly unlikely event you're the lucky one that gets a tight/short neck from a mass production rifle, a smith can clean the neck forward to the 5.56 drawing in minutes; I wouldn't worry about it.
I need to get around to loading for it, would like to try some heavier grain weight projectiles with the 24" barrel and 1:9 twist it would be nice to find a good 65-77gr load for it. I've owned it for about 6 years now, I take it whistle pig hunting with my 17HMR and .22's. It has a 4.5-14x40mm Leupold VX3i on it and it is deadly. Greatly increases my range when the pigs at .22 distance stay in their hole followed up by the 17HMR distance pigs.
It will be hard to find one at or below $400 though unless used, I think they start at around $450.
1) So very many folks have shot 5.56 in 223 Rem chambered bolt guns without issue, it’s really only something which causes catastrophic results in keyboards and basements...
2) Shooting 5.56 ammo in a bolt rifle is highly over-rated. There are plenty of low cost 223 Rem loads, it’s really just not worth choosing a lesser rifle than the one you want, or paying extra just for a little longer throat. If it’s REALLY that critical for you, pick a rifle you love and pay a smith $50 to open the throat. Personally, I’d just shoot 223 Rem SAAMI compliant ammo.
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