I meant never mind on the Barnes TAC-XP bullets they can't handle the speed increase that would come from firing in a carbine from what I read. I have nothing against Remington bullets. I used Remington bullets in my 30-30 for years, wish I still had my 30-30, and I might still try to work something out with you. I am just getting frustrated on finding bullets that I know how they react out of my pistol. I don't know how any of these are going to act using longshot powder till I test them. I don't know how that any round is going to act out of a carbine since I am still looking for one. I know velocity is not the only thing involved in a hunting round. But I also know more velocity equals more energy. Is the 40 the best round for hunting? No. Will it work? Yes. I have seen a 800 lbs hog dropped with a 40 pistol. And seen many, many photos of deer taken with a 40. Do I have access to other pistols that I could use? Yes But none of which I am used to shooting or as accurate as I am with my 40. I am on a fixed income and having deer meat in the freezer saves me money on meat during the year. I can not afford to miss another hunting season because of my arm. Would I prefer to use a rifle round? Yes I have a 7.62x54r M44 I am dying to try out on deer, but can't till my arm heals which will be 6 months+. This is why I am looking for a 40 carbine. I know I can hold it up with one hand, I can use the door of the horse trailer as a prop and without doing more damage to my arm I can steady the gun with my right.
Thanks I will check it out. I am sorry that I came across as I did. Been in allot of pain, lack of sleep, and a screaming 11 month old that wants her Uncle Joey to hold her and I can't because of my arm plus not finding what I am looking for takes a toll on someone after awhile. My chronograph, tumbler, and digital scale is supposed to be here Friday and my nephew said he would come back over to give me an extra set of hands to do some testing of different factory rounds that he will bring with him in ballistic gel.
I will not be able to work the lever till my arm heals so I need to stick to a semi auto that has a pistol grip. I found some hard cast bullets for $10 for a 100 that I might try out. The site said they could go up to 1600 fps without gas checks. I still have to load the 40 even if I don't use it for hunting this year. Might end up using the 1911 45 cal. I have some 230 grain JHP that is supposed to be going out of a 4 inch barrel at 1007 fps and the 1911 has 6 inch barrel. I'll chronograph them this weekend if the chronograph get here on time.
That's why I was asking. Longshot is the only pistol powder I have right now. I was planning on loading up Hornady XTP bullets which there is data for with the LS but can't find any. The xtp bullets are rated for 800 to 1800 fps. Which would be perfect in my pistol or a carbine. Trying to find a Ruger PC4 if I can find one cheap. That way I can use the same mags in either weapon. I do like the pistol grips on some of the carbines better though.
Thanks, I will probably have to get another pound of powder for just cast bullets different from LS. Going to call Hodgdon here in a few to get their input on cast and LS first. I read somewhere that the federal hst, the speer gold dot, and the Winchester ranger all use the same bullet. If this is true it would explain why they looked pretty much the same in the test that I watched. Shot through four layers of denim, and 24 inches of wet pack and water jug combo, they penetrated 15 1/2 inches and expanded to right at 3/4 of an inch in size and retained almost all of its weight. Would like for someone to explain something to me though. While looking at the cast data for the 200 grain cast bullet I noticed that even though the max load is 0.6 grains under the 200 grain XTP bullet the cast has a 33 fps increase over the XTP at a lower pressure. How is this possible when fired from the same test gun? Is it because the cast is getting a better seal or has less friction than the jacketed xtp bullet? Oh accurate #7 data was what I was looking at.Well I can't give you any specific "40" info, but I have used my 10mm quite a bit in the woods.
Mine is the Javalena with the 7" barrel so I get a bit more from my loads than the shorter barrels. My mainstay load runs 1350fps with the 180gr bullets. I have used just about all of the major brand names bullets on hogs and have narrowed down the better ones to the Winchester 180gr JHP, and the Gold Dot. I know that everyone has this that or the other which they feel is best for one or more reasons, but like I said these two have performed the best for me.
While I admit that a hog isn't a deer, they are a good test as to what a load will do. We have shot enough of them that when our load will readily drop them deer are pretty much an non issue if you put the shot where it should go. These three were taken between 20, and 30yds using the 180gr GD, as you can see they penetrated just fine and exited with a broadside shot,
I know the little one in the middle isn't much to brag about, but they are MUCH harder to hit on the run when they are that size, especially in the head. The point is that the 180's work very well in this caliber for hunting. If you used a cast instead you would probably get similar results with a round flat nosed that will feed.
As for the Remington's that were offered, they would probably work equally as well. I simply cannot say as I do not remember shooting them in this particular weight. Not that I haven't, just that when I did most of my testing it was the first couple of years I had the pistol. Once I found a load(s) that did what I needed I pretty much stuck to it. I loaded for both accuracy and performance, and the Win's and the GD both shoot around 2" out to 50yds on most days and some days less. I'm the weak link there not the loads.
One other thing you might also look into is someone who might have a little AA-7 or 9 in your area that you might eb able to trade out for some of. These both work great in the 10, with the 180gr weight bullets, and should but to a lesser degree with the 40.
Hope this helps and wishing you the best on your hunt.
I have found HS-6 to be extremely accurate when loading cast bullets and it's close to Longshot in relative burn rate. I'm sure it will work very well in the 40 S&W with cast bullets and deliver the velocity and accuracy you're looking for. SR4756 isn't a bad choice either if you can find some. It's too bad HS-7 is no longer available because it's just as slow as Longshot and will deliver superior performance with both jacketed and cast bullets. HS-7(W571) was the hands-down best powder for loading the 10mm/40 S&W.
Arch, where do you find the load data for HS6 for cast. My Lyman 49 is about useless since it only has cast data for 150 and 175 grain of their alloys. I'll need data for 155,180, & 200 grain hard cast. Lee has 6 different powder loads for the 155 & 180, and one load for the 200 . None of which are the same powder for all three and none are for HS6. The Accur#7 is the closest to all three with it being listed with both the 155 & 200 but not the 180 for some reason. Still don't know what BB stands for on the cast bullet. Example: 180 grain FP BB The cast bullets are made by Going Ballistic Bullets. At $10 for a 100 for each I can afford to do a little testing with cast. If nothing else I can work up a good load just for accuracy for use in CCW class and target practice.
Lyman's Cast Handbook 4th Edition has extensive load data for everything including the 40 S&W. The data includes HS-6 for bullets weighing 145gr up to 200gr with 4 more bullets in between.
Thanks Arch, I'll see if I can find one before I run out of money for the month. Just found out my chronograph is backorder so no telling when I will get it and I want to have it before loading up these 40's. Till then I'll keep looking for good hollow points in stock and just run the cases through the tumbler and get the cases deprimed, sized and inspected so I can load them up when the chronograph comes in.
Thank for the follow-up comment. Looks more and more that I am going to want a mentor when I first load these up. There is nothing like having someone there in person to teach you these things. The books just don't cover all the question that experience will. Thank again.
Saw some test with some 10 mm Underwood factory ammo that was choreographed at 1443 fps from a 155 grain gold dot bullet fired from a Gen 4 G20. It had 1500 fps marked on the box. I think I read that the gold dot was good from 800 - 1650 fps but they also make a bullet called Deepcurl made for hunting but I didn't see it in the 10/40 calibers.
Kuyong_Chuin said:
Thanks for the information. Having problems finding a carbine other that a 9 atm anyway.
