Best AK Manufacturer

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There are a multitude of manufacturers of the AK pattern rifle out there, and I have read negative opinions of many of them. I have heard bad things about Inter Ordinance, Romanian WASR Rifles, and some others. Are these actually bad rifles? Who makes the best AK pattern rifles on the US market?
 
They usually aren't mechanically bad, but often have less-than-good fit and finish and/or accuracy.

The best on the market are widely considered to be those from Arsenal, Inc.

Krebs Custom is one of the boutique manufacturers that offers different options or higher quality, but is quite a bit more expensive.
 
For custom-level stuff, Rifle Dynamics or Krebs Custom.

For everything else, Arsenal and Izmash.
 
Izmash and Molot, are the best manufacturers. Their guns are often the base for people like Krebs, Aresenal, to then smooth out, reassemble with different parts, and refinish. Jim Fuller, of rifle dynamics, has opined that the Russian guns are the best quality. The barrel, receiver, and bolt carrier group are the heart of the gun. All these are manufactured at the factory. I believe my Russian guns are better made than my other AKs.

Rifle dynamics would be my choice of the best shop for work or a build to your tastes.

In the video below Mr. Fuller talks a bit about the various variants:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=seY9ZZxMFIQ&feature=endscreen
 
Norinco

The Chinese made Norinco's are highly regarded by most. As far as I know they haven't been imported into the US since the early 90's, so if you are interested you would probably have to search the used market.
 
Inebriated nailed it

Why do those three words bring back memories of "beer goggles".


Anyways, double entendres aside, this sums up my thoughts as well - Izmash (Saiga), Arsenal, Krebs, Rifle Dynamics ... from there fit and finish can vary quite a bit.

You might also find satisfactory builds from smaller brands. I have a Citizens' Armory (Mexico, MO) AK built on a Romy G platform. While I'm not thrilled with the rivets they used, the rifle has an excellent fit.
 
For factory new, Arsenal and Molot Veprs. For custom new Rifle dynamics, POHF, or Marshall arms.
 
I would have to say the veprs are tops never saw one with a canted front sight. Don't forget about the yugo m70 underfolders they are some of the best along with the old milled Bulgarians
 
I agree with inebriated. However, if you can get your hands on a WASR and inspect it before you purchase (and you know what to look for), you can have a rifle just as good or batter than others mentioned. Conversely, I would buy an M10 without handling it first as I and many others have had very good experiences with these variants.

Another AKM to take a serious look at would be the VEPRs. I think these are the best AKMs on the market right now.
 
However, if you can get your hands on a WASR and inspect it before you purchase (and you know what to look for), you can have a rifle just as good or batter than others mentioned.

If you have to visually inspect it to find a decent one what does that tell you about the quality and the potential for issues you may not identify visually? And better than what others mentioned? Surely you don't mean Arsenal?
 
Surely I do. The issues aren't in the materials used. They're in some of the assembly process. That said, those "issues" aren't issues that will affect operation. They're mostly annoying things like mag wobble or canted sights.

The WASR I bought a few months ago is made from all-new parts (barrel included) aside from the trunnions (which look new) and the finish is superior to Arsenal's patented "spray-on" finish.
 
If you have to visually inspect it to find a decent one what does that tell you about the quality and the potential for issues you may not identify visually? And better than what others mentioned? Surely you don't mean Arsenal?
Both will go bang all day every day (and twice on sunday) but with a WASR you dont have to worry about getting solvent on the finish.
 
For custom-level stuff, Rifle Dynamics or Krebs Custom.

For everything else, Arsenal and Izmash.

The best AK is a Sig 556R.

For $1100 you can have a 7.62x39mm semi auto, swiss made, accurate and reliable. It even takes steel AK magazines.

It would be rediculous to pay more for a gun that came in such poor shape that half the parts have to be replaced or repaired.
 
It would be rediculous to pay more for a gun that came in such poor shape that half the parts have to be replaced or repaired.

What on earth are you talking about? I don't think I've ever heard of anybody replacing or repairing half the parts in their AK because they didn't work.
 
The 556R had had a long history of problems. It should not be counted as an ak any more than counting a SU16 as an AR.
 
The best AK's that are legal to own that ever came into this country are Norinco and Polytech made by the Chinese!!:eek:
 
The best AK is a Sig 556R.

For $1100 you can have a 7.62x39mm semi auto, swiss made, accurate and reliable. It even takes steel AK magazines.

It would be rediculous to pay more for a gun that came in such poor shape that half the parts have to be replaced or repaired.

I'm seriously doubting that you've used any AK better than a WASR if you think anything on a higher-end AK needs replacing.
 
It would be rediculous to pay more for a gun that came in such poor shape that half the parts have to be replaced or repaired.


It is not because they need to be replaced or repaired. In fact often times the original parts are of better quality or better alloys than the American parts they are replaced with.
It is because legislation requires a specific number of US parts on a foreign made rifle in order for it to have certain features or use magazines over 10 rounds.
This is due to the first President Bush imposing feature based import restrictions (later passed into law by Congress), and the ATF then defining what made a rifle still subject to such restrictions.

In the end we got a ruling that even for mere ownership, no more than 10 of certain foreign parts could be in the gun or it was still subject to the rules that is was subject to in order to be imported into the country.


A rifle made in Switzerland would be subject to the same law, and require it also not have more than 10 foreign parts in order to use magazines over 10 rounds, have apistol grip installed, etc So you would have to start replacing parts on it as well.

The way a lot of firearm manufacturers get around these import restrictions to sell to the civilian market with basic things like a pistol grip, or with standard capacity magazines, is to have a manufacturing plant in the United States. If made in the United States it is not subject to import laws.
So many foreign company firearms are actually made in the USA.


However manufacturing in the United States has higher costs associated with it than manufacturing in a place like Russia/China (China can no longer export firearms to the United States, just every other consumer product, and Russia cannot export handguns.) So you pay more for the same quality, sometimes more for lesser quality, and often quite a bit more for better quality.
Because of this there is a middle ground met where some purchase the foreign made quality firearm and convert them with extra attention to fit and finish and decent replacement parts to meet the 10 foreign parts rule, while not having to manufacture the firearm from scratch at the higher production costs of the USA.
 
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If you have to visually inspect it to find a decent one what does that tell you about the quality and the potential for issues you may not identify visually? And better than what others mentioned? Surely you don't mean Arsenal?

Surely I do. The issues aren't in the materials used. They're in some of the assembly process. That said, those "issues" aren't issues that will affect operation. They're mostly annoying things like mag wobble or canted sights.

How does poor assembly procedures not relate to a lesser gun? As you admit, WASR's have assembly issues. Arsenals don't. Not rare issues with WASR's are rivets coming loose, fire control group failures, internal issues causing jams, FTF's, FTE's, etc?

I'm perplexed as to how you would consider the WASR superior to Arsenals?

Both will go bang all day every day (and twice on sunday) but with a WASR you dont have to worry about getting solvent on the finish.

Many have owned Romanian's that failed to go bang every day. While i admit the Arsenal finish could be better it isn't removed by solvents. The first application of some solvents can cause some change in the finish color but won't remove it.
 
The best AK is a Sig 556R.

For $1100 you can have a 7.62x39mm semi auto, swiss made, accurate and reliable. It even takes steel AK magazines.

It would be rediculous (sic) to pay more for a gun that came in such poor shape that half the parts have to be replaced or repaired.

The early Sig 556Rs were complete garbage. Anything made before June 2012 is best avoided. For me the jury is still out on Sigs second effort with the rifle. I'm hopeful but still waiting to see. Con man Gabe Suarez is declaring it as totally awesome, best gun ever, and good to go now. However, his product reviews carry no weight with me. He is a convicted fraud and it has been shown he is very happy to lie and deceive for money. He only started pushing the 556R after he tapped out his market selling super over priced AKs.

The sig 556R is not Swiss made.

One also needs to factor in the cost of buying sights. It doesn't come with BUIS and the made in China Sig RDS is junk.
 
The best AK is a Sig 556R.

For $1100 you can have a 7.62x39mm semi auto, swiss made, accurate and reliable. It even takes steel AK magazines.

It would be rediculous to pay more for a gun that came in such poor shape that half the parts have to be replaced or repaired.

Bahaha! The 556r is not swiss made and is plagued with problems. I guess I should throw out my sgl cause thats just some russian crap. Seriously have you even handled a 556r or even an ak? I needed a good laugh today :)
 
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