50caliber123
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I wan tto know what you guys have, this is something I'm looking into getting for HD.
Best autoloading shotgun with a tubular magazine
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Winchester Super X Model 1
But you can't have one.... so
Winchester Super X Model 2
Is what I suggest.
But you can't have one.... so
Winchester Super X Model 2
Is what I suggest.
nico
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My SX2 is a great gun. I plan to get a shorter barrel for it when I move to Baltimore at the end of this year.
I'd also look at what Benelli has to offer. My dad's SBE is a great gun too.
Both Winchester and Benelli sell short barreled versions of their semi-autos
I'd also look at what Benelli has to offer. My dad's SBE is a great gun too.
Both Winchester and Benelli sell short barreled versions of their semi-autos
Super X2, hands down. Second place is the Beretta 390/391, third is the Browning Gold, after that is the spahgetti I mean Benelli whatever model you get.
I have owned and shot the snot out of all mentioned........
Steve might be right that the SuperX1 is actually the best but they are getting hard to find in decent condition. Guys like him have been beating those X1's up for 20+ years and just won't let up
I mean Benelli whatever model you get. I have owned and shot the snot out of all mentioned........
Steve might be right that the SuperX1 is actually the best but they are getting hard to find in decent condition. Guys like him have been beating those X1's up for 20+ years and just won't let up
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HSMITH,
I may have actually retired a certain 1974 SX1
See I did a Tribute of sorts, and some folks I've known have been figuring for a bit now, for sentimental reasons. Only folks that have some records, memories and such.
At the Tribute, the figure was "nearly" 300,000 rds I personally fired. Since my return and figuring in some more , "well over" 300,000 rds I personally fired thru this SX1.
So with the Tribute, and being as the last time I fired that gun was at this Tribute, add the round count being 300,000 rds. I may actually retire it.
Yeah one of them dumb, sentimental , rationalizational dealies.
Now I did shoot a Wood & Blue 3" Chamber Field SX2, at this tribute. Gun has had 40,000 rds fired since bought not quite 2 years ago.
It does have an extra barrel, that magic 23" for dwell time, new barrel with external knurled screw in chokes [one guess where all this idea come from].
It shoot slugs like a dream. I fired ~ 125 non stop, and, to this day the gun has never malfuntioned.
Only when dummy loads for drills and training will it not fire and cycle.
Bone Stock...except for that tweaking of fit, and Pacmayhr Decelerator recoil pad [wonder where that idea come from?].
HSMITH,
You have fired a few shells in your day too. We are not the only ones that have been around high round counts, and these fired in all sorts of climates and conditons...
I wonder how some of these offerings will hold up down the road - the ones actually being used?
We also used a 28 ga 870 nicknamed "Money Gun" with - re-figured - round count of 500,000 rds. Also
Rem 1100 in 20ga with 200,000
1911 with 200,000
etc.
Regards,
Steve
I may have actually retired a certain 1974 SX1
See I did a Tribute of sorts, and some folks I've known have been figuring for a bit now, for sentimental reasons. Only folks that have some records, memories and such.
At the Tribute, the figure was "nearly" 300,000 rds I personally fired. Since my return and figuring in some more , "well over" 300,000 rds I personally fired thru this SX1.
So with the Tribute, and being as the last time I fired that gun was at this Tribute, add the round count being 300,000 rds. I may actually retire it.
Yeah one of them dumb, sentimental , rationalizational dealies.
Now I did shoot a Wood & Blue 3" Chamber Field SX2, at this tribute. Gun has had 40,000 rds fired since bought not quite 2 years ago.
It does have an extra barrel, that magic 23" for dwell time, new barrel with external knurled screw in chokes [one guess where all this idea come from].
It shoot slugs like a dream. I fired ~ 125 non stop, and, to this day the gun has never malfuntioned.
Only when dummy loads for drills and training will it not fire and cycle.
Bone Stock...except for that tweaking of fit, and Pacmayhr Decelerator recoil pad [wonder where that idea come from?].
HSMITH,
You have fired a few shells in your day too. We are not the only ones that have been around high round counts, and these fired in all sorts of climates and conditons...
I wonder how some of these offerings will hold up down the road - the ones actually being used?
We also used a 28 ga 870 nicknamed "Money Gun" with - re-figured - round count of 500,000 rds. Also
Rem 1100 in 20ga with 200,000
1911 with 200,000
etc.
Regards,
Steve
Gixerman1000
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For HD the Benelli M4 / M1014, I trust mine to get the job done should I ever need it and it’s so much fun to shoot it’s scary.
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Winchester hasn't made guns in a long time. Somehow everyone fails to realize that.....I wouldn't put the Winchester above the Beretta even on a clear day.
By a wide margin the Beretta 391 series is the Best auto shotgun available on the market. Go to any range and you will see more of that series than any other auto on the market.
By a wide margin the Beretta 391 series is the Best auto shotgun available on the market. Go to any range and you will see more of that series than any other auto on the market.
nico
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Plenty of people realize it. It's just easier to call it the "Winchester SX2" than the "namedbutnotmadeby Winchester SX2." Besides, how is that relevant? Whether or not the SX2 is a good gun has nothing to do with the fact that it's made in Belgium (by FN iirc) and sold under the Winchester brand name.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a crapshoot between any of the big-name autoloaders on the market, with the decision between them being nothing more than personal preference and budget. They'll all go bang just about every time you pull the trigger and any differences in features/fit and finish are pretty proportional to the price. I've been very happy with my $600 SX2, and I wouldn't fault anyone for being happy with a $900 Beretta or $1400 SBE.
I'd be interrested to see some evidence of the "wide margin" between Beretta and the other major brands.
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Metallurgy , Craftsmanship & Design
One can have a great design - skimp on metallury and tolerances - and the gun will not run, or for very long, or both.
One can have great metallurgy, if the design has faults , the gun will not run or last long.
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One can have a great design - skimp on metallury and tolerances - and the gun will not run, or for very long, or both.
One can have great metallurgy, if the design has faults , the gun will not run or last long.
Edit by me.
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nico
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sm, I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Not to get too far off topic, but modern engines, as a whole, are more efficient in just about every way than engines of 20 or 30 years ago. They make more power, burn less gas, and last longer.
toivo
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Maybe I'm nitpicking and maybe I'm just dumb, but is there any choice of autoloading shotguns WITHOUT a tubular magazine? The only one I can think of is the Saiga AK-style.
You can read people's recommendations until the cows come home, but don't skip the step where you go to the shop and actually handle the gun. Otherwise you could end up with somebody else's dream gun.
stiletto raggio
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I love Benellis. I have two (M1S90 and Sport II) and have an M3 on the way. I highly recommend them because they are light, reliable, and have very good triggers. The only downside is that they and their accessories are expensive.
I would check out the Winchester Competition Master, too.
I would check out the Winchester Competition Master, too.
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Marketing started planting seeds to get folks away from how raised:
For instance folks tried out guns to fit them for task, then bought that gun when they had the money, even lay-a-way. Folks did not whip out a credit card to buy stuff they did not NEED or could not afford.
They had learned to shoot - they knew they could not buy skill and targets.
Edit by me. Folks are going to do what they want.
For instance folks tried out guns to fit them for task, then bought that gun when they had the money, even lay-a-way. Folks did not whip out a credit card to buy stuff they did not NEED or could not afford.
They had learned to shoot - they knew they could not buy skill and targets.
Edit by me. Folks are going to do what they want.
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JohnBT
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We were talking about credits cards today. You're right, people saved and saved until they had the cash and it gave them time to think and plan and even try out items before they bought.
The first card was paper and was issued the year I was born - 1950. You could get store credit different places prior to that, but that was the year they introduced the credit card.
"The Diners Club credit card continued to grow more popular and didn't receive competition until 1958. In that year, both American Express and the Bank Americard (later called VISA) arrived."
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Now, about that "What are you getting for the price paid?"
I prefer to concentrate on asking "What are you getting?" and "Why?" It has to be the right tool for the job or it's a waste of money. And if it's free it's still a waste of time.
John
The first card was paper and was issued the year I was born - 1950. You could get store credit different places prior to that, but that was the year they introduced the credit card.
"The Diners Club credit card continued to grow more popular and didn't receive competition until 1958. In that year, both American Express and the Bank Americard (later called VISA) arrived."
_________
Now, about that "What are you getting for the price paid?"
I prefer to concentrate on asking "What are you getting?" and "Why?" It has to be the right tool for the job or it's a waste of money. And if it's free it's still a waste of time.
John
beerslurpy
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Meanwhile in the 21st century, free men choose autoloading shotguns with box magazines.
If you live in CA, I apologize for mocking you.
If you live in CA, I apologize for mocking you.
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Given enough time - anything can be rationalized -anon.
Like the saying says, "a man with experience is never at the mercy of a man with an opinion."
Given enough time - anything can be rationalized -anon.
Like the saying says, "a man with experience is never at the mercy of a man with an opinion."
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"Best autoloader" threads always degenerate. Mainly, that's because there's no such thing. Balance, fit, etc. might lead one person to proclaim that the Remington 1100, or Browning Gold, or whatever, is the "best", and his skeet and Sporting Clay scores and upland hunting success will argue in his favor. A waterfowl hunter who likes to shoot trap in the off-season might say "the Extrema 2 is the best shotgun, hands down." And he'd be right. Argentinian outfitters will swear by Benellis, because for super-high-volume bird hunting day in and day out, with an eye towards spending employee time on guiding, not gun cleaning.
HD can mean a lot of things. Usually, it means a gun that doesn't get used heavily like a competition shotgun, or abused brutally like a waterfowl gun. However, it also means that reliability is vitally important, since you might, on the off chance, stake your life on it. And when you do, the gun might not have been attended to for a while.
That argues in favor of the Benelli M3 S90, or just getting a pump gun. If a gun is maintained regularly, though, there's only a hair's difference between one good gun and another, for HD.
Note that pumps are far and away the most popular for HD.
HD can mean a lot of things. Usually, it means a gun that doesn't get used heavily like a competition shotgun, or abused brutally like a waterfowl gun. However, it also means that reliability is vitally important, since you might, on the off chance, stake your life on it. And when you do, the gun might not have been attended to for a while.
That argues in favor of the Benelli M3 S90, or just getting a pump gun. If a gun is maintained regularly, though, there's only a hair's difference between one good gun and another, for HD.
Note that pumps are far and away the most popular for HD.
FloatingChamber
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Best Auto Shotgun?
All of 'em!
All of 'em!
stellarpod
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Virtually everyone here has vastly more field experience than I, and I value their opinions. That being said, I've been shooting the same early '70's vintage left-hand Remington 1100 3" (usually with 2-3/4" modified barrel) for 30+ years and have had zero issues with it. I love that gun - factory pressed "checkering" and all!
But I do not consider myself to be an expert in this arena - only wanted to relate my personal experience.
stellarpod
But I do not consider myself to be an expert in this arena - only wanted to relate my personal experience.
stellarpod
Quintin Likely
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I never really saw the sense in the Benelli M3. Sure, it's cool to have, but unless you're shooting less than lethal ammo, there's no real reason to own one over an M1 or M4, unless you really want one in which case that's as good a reason as any. As I understand it, converting it from pump to semi auto ain't just a matter of flipping a switch on the side of the receiver either, so it's not like something you can switch around for different operation at the drop of a hat or in the middle of a fight. Might as well buy an 870 and use the change for a lot of ammo and training.
I own a Benelli M1, and it's been very good to me thus far. Clean shooting, very fast, very reliable. Don't really have any experience with other autoloaders.
I own a Benelli M1, and it's been very good to me thus far. Clean shooting, very fast, very reliable. Don't really have any experience with other autoloaders.
FloatingChamber
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Best Auto?
Like you Stell, I am left handed and use a very old LH Rem. 1100. I shoot clays on an informal basis and leave on the 26" Skeet barrel. My scores are fine (I'm nearly 60, so 90% I'm happy with.) I have a 30" Full choke barrel on hand in my gunbag for any long 'crossers'.
I shot RH Brownings and Berettas too, for a long time - no probs there! I am soon to take delivery of a rare Winchester Model 59 with chokes! I have tried it out and it shoots nicely!
Best Wishes from the UK.
Regards, Alan.
P.S. Take a look at the 'David Marshall Williams' thread!
Like you Stell, I am left handed and use a very old LH Rem. 1100. I shoot clays on an informal basis and leave on the 26" Skeet barrel. My scores are fine (I'm nearly 60, so 90% I'm happy with.) I have a 30" Full choke barrel on hand in my gunbag for any long 'crossers'.
I shot RH Brownings and Berettas too, for a long time - no probs there! I am soon to take delivery of a rare Winchester Model 59 with chokes! I have tried it out and it shoots nicely!
Best Wishes from the UK.
Regards, Alan.
P.S. Take a look at the 'David Marshall Williams' thread!
50caliber123
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I'm looking for a shorter barrel, like 18.5" - 23" and a shotgun that's gas operated, not inertia. I've heard too many bad things about Inertia operated guns.
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