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I am starting to look at a RRA LAR-8 rifle for most shooting needs and to upgrade to a bigger diameter and more effective bullet. I think that rifle may be pretty close to "the one rifle for me." I'll see soon enough.
Best in All-Around Combat Role: AR vs AK vs Battle Rifle?
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JImbothefiveth
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The "best" would probably be similiar to an AR, but more reliable. Why? Because .223 is used for a reason, as in, lightweight. I'd want lightweight if I had to patrol Iraq.
On the other hand, if you had to fight another superpower, you might need something more powerful, to defeat armor.
On the other hand, if you had to fight another superpower, you might need something more powerful, to defeat armor.
I thought this had been settled years ago. The M91 Mosin Nagant is simply the best there is. House to house, long range, CQB, the M91 can do it all...and it can do it with just the bayonet. What's more the rear sight is in arshins. Thousands of arshins.
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elmerfudd: "What's more the rear sight is in arshins. Thousands of arshins."
No need to get your arshins in a sling (any strip of cloth will do).
No need to get your arshins in a sling (any strip of cloth will do).
For ultimate reliability (highly valuable when things get serious (a likely possibility in the near future)) and a solid punch, it would be the AK (in 7.62x39). But when you factor in possible need for effectiveness at range and also AP capability, it's 7.62x51/.308 or better all the way, there's no substitute for a good main battle rifle. 
Best to have both.
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And no real guerrilla force I can think of has ever clamored for more battle rifles when they could have assault rifles. This is because the assault rifle is optimized for how combat really happens, and the battle rifle is not, regardless of whether you have supporting indirect fire, etc. The whole "we militiamen need 7.62x51, because we're different" is only still floating around because it's never been put to the test, and so can safely live on in the fantasy lives of various people.
Although I prefer (and am comfortable/competent with ) AKs and SKSs,the "all around " part of the poll gets me thinking FAL(preferably with the Izzy HB bolt group),just for the sdditional range of the cartridge.Or( if it falls into the "battle "category) the .308 Galil-combines my preferred 'delivery system" with "express mail" at a greater range.
wally
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Battle rifle for me, AKs for my minions
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My vote is for a converted saiga (AK) in 223 with a folding stock or a good telescoping stock. You can get an adapter to accept AR15 mags, although I would stock up on surefire mags anyway. And you can buy 2 for the price of a single AR15.
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+1 Mikkelibob. Saigas are excellent.
I'd honestly have to vote for the AK as better all around. Keep in mind that (1) they can accept scopes and have quick-attach / detach mounts that retain their zero well, and (2) they are more than accurate enough as long as you buy a good one. And (3) ammo is cheaper, and (4) they're more reliable.
An AK is just a good choice all around. They can be as accurate as 2 MOA, although 3-4 is about average. And with quick-release optics mounts, you can adapt to any situation. Frankly, they'll do the job you need.
You don't want to use a battle rifle unless you really need it. They're bigger, heavier, and they're going to hurt you if you have to fire them repeatedly.
I'd honestly have to vote for the AK as better all around. Keep in mind that (1) they can accept scopes and have quick-attach / detach mounts that retain their zero well, and (2) they are more than accurate enough as long as you buy a good one. And (3) ammo is cheaper, and (4) they're more reliable.
An AK is just a good choice all around. They can be as accurate as 2 MOA, although 3-4 is about average. And with quick-release optics mounts, you can adapt to any situation. Frankly, they'll do the job you need.
You don't want to use a battle rifle unless you really need it. They're bigger, heavier, and they're going to hurt you if you have to fire them repeatedly.
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Guerrilla forces don't have a lot of room to "clamor" for anything. They get what they are given by their sponsor states or whatever else is easiliy obtained. In most parts of the world, that would be AKs and ARs.
It should interest you to know that the Enfield is now making a huge comeback among Afghan guerrillas for the very reasons that I and others have mentioned. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and when guerrillas would rather have a bolt action battle rifle than an select-fire AK, that speaks volumes.
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jerkface11
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Well I guess if some guy on the internet said it.....
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Yes, everything you read on the internet is untrue.
jerkface11
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Every outlandish unsubstantiated claim is.
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Here's an article from strategypage.com:
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/Afghans-Rediscover-The-Lee-Enfield-1-22-2009.asp
You consider mainstream news sites outlandish and unsubstantiated?
jerkface11
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That's definitely an article, however it doesn't say
It mainly just rambles on about how the enfield is more accurate than the AK.
Zach S
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If the need arises, I'll have an AR. But I have much more triggertime with it than I do anything else, I've only had my Saiga for a few weeks, and I'm stil waiting on conversion parts, so that might change.
+1. Theres is a lot of weight difference between AR and AK mags. I think I could beat someone to death with an AK mag, dont see it happening with an AR mag.
doc2rn
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If I have to go back to work in that fashion I am taking my 30-06 and 30-30. Both are way better rifles and the ammo is always available in NA. Not to mention I am taking my Colt Python for CQB/ room clearing.
C-grunt
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Zombie!!!!
LHRGunslinger
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I vote AK because
1) ammo is cheap and plentiful
2) bloody easy to use and maintain
3) short of a "Eldest Son" style boobytrapped cartridge you pretty much can't stop it
4) it's damn sexy.
1) ammo is cheap and plentiful
2) bloody easy to use and maintain
3) short of a "Eldest Son" style boobytrapped cartridge you pretty much can't stop it
4) it's damn sexy.
HorseSoldier
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#3 -- if you haven't seen an AK jam or choke, you haven't seen many AKs run very hard. It's a robust design, but can and will fail under heavy use and neglect.
Jonny V
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World dominance was achieved via the M1 Garand and thereafter the M14. Since then, we have devolved into the "spray and pray" mentality with the M16/M4. For the Soviets, their world dominance was achieved via the Mosin-Nagant. Since then, they too have fallen into the "spray and pray" trap.
Not coincidentally, since we've both abandoned legitimate battle rifles in favor of glorified varmint guns, the USSR has collapsed, and America is on it's way to collapse. (Speaking as a United States Marine).
Not coincidentally, since we've both abandoned legitimate battle rifles in favor of glorified varmint guns, the USSR has collapsed, and America is on it's way to collapse. (Speaking as a United States Marine).
amd6547
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I believe groups of private citzens defending thier communities would be best served by a mixture of all of the above.
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