Best National/World Records "For Score"?

[CypherNinja]

All right guys, I had a small discussion today with a fence sitter who had seen the movie Shooter.

You might be able to guess how the conversation went, so I'll skip it. Point is, I had to say "I don't know" a couple of times.


So, my question is: What are the current best long distance records in the world for score (NOT for group). My point was that having a small group on a piece of paper is entirely different than having that group on top of the bullseye.

I don't care what country it was set in. I don't care what class it was (even if it was a benchrest railgun). I'm NOT looking for the sniper "one shot" distance records, though. I'm interested in the "best normal capabilities of current technology," if that makes any sense.

1000 yards would be best, 3 or more shots, bipod records would not be amiss, either.


Sorry to bug you guys with a demand for info like this, but it irked me that I didn't know.

If anybody could fill me in or point me to a resource, it would be greatly appreciated.

Rifles aren't really my main interest.

 

[Art Eatman]

For tight group accuracy from a benchrest, I guess the late Gale McMillan still holds the record for a five-shot group of (IIRC) 0.009".

First, make the rifle shoot good. After that you can worry about sight-in. Hard to score well on any target if you can't get good groups.

Long-range sniper kills from Afghanistan include a Canadian guy's one-shot kill at something like 2,400 yards, more or less. There are others in that general category. .50BMG rigs. Lesser cartridges are known to have been used by our snipers for one-shot kills to more than 800 yards. .308, .300 WinMag.

I'd say that a one-shot kill "way out there" is a score in the ten-ring.

We have folks here who shoot long-range competition for score. I'll let them speak, not being into that game.

Art

 

[Slamfire]

I don't shoot F Class. That is the class where you are allowed to shoot off a bipod with sandbags support.

I have shot anynumber of times NRA long range. Looking at my rule book, the ten ring is 20 inches with the X ring 10.00 inches.

I have not kept but two of my pre National Match programs, my latest one is a 2001 program. These programs note the previous years winner and the National Record.

For the famous Wimbledon Cup match, 20 shots for record at 1000 yards, the National Championship record was 200-15X set in 1983 by Sgt Tedders, USMC.

The NRA matches are shot prone with a sling. It is much harder to shoot with a sling than off a rest. I also assume that the record was fired with iron sights.

One day I was squadded with Mitch Maxberry, one of the finest long range shots in the World, and a National Champion in a number of events. He was firing an iron sighted 308 Win Palma rifle. Next to us was a F class guy. This was several years ago as F class rules were evolving, but this guy was firing a 300 Win Mag off a rest. The butt of the rifle was supported with sandbags. The rifle foreend rest was on a metal plate, so the rifle and rest would both recoil evenly. This guy's rifle was heavy barreled and had a boss on the end of the barrel. (Noisey as all get out.)

Both Mitch and the F class guy shot 197's at 1000 yards.

The F class guy did very well, but he was not at the National Champion level in his sport.

The point is, equipment, rests, etc, does make a difference.

As so far as Movies, 99.999999999999% of the stuff you see is bunk.

Just today I say a movie segment where a Ground Controller "hot wired" a telephone communications satellite to provide Infrared images of people on the ground. Considering the satellite was 22,000 miles away from the Ground Controller's keyboard, and was not equipped with any infrared devices, that was quite an achievement. Just like most of the stuff you see in "guns and nuts" and sniper movies.

 

[CypherNinja]

Yeah, that was the crux of the conversation. I know enough about rifles to have a pretty good idea how big the hurdles are.

I just want to be able to say: "THIS is the best that can be reasonably expected on a long range shot, even if it was the best shooter with the best rifle in the world."

I still remember that target that was displayed in the agent's office in the movie. A big 1000 yard bullseye with a 1 inch group centered EXACTLY over the X.

 

[Howard Roark]

As far as NRA Conventional Highpower goes the records are:

600 yards Metallic Sights: Mark Delcotto- 200-20X. Shot last year at Perry. His two sighters were also X's.

1000 yards Metallic Sights: Michelle Gallagher- 200-16X. This is the Wibledon Cup Record, shot in 1999. She co-holds this record with her mother. Nancy shot hers in 2004.

1000 yards Any Sights (scope): C.B. Kovalchik- 200-19X. Shot in 1996.

Palma: T. Whitaker- 450-35. Shot in 1998.

F-Class
Open: 1000 yards: 199-14X- Jim Murphy. Shot in 2007.
TR: 1000 yards: 192-7- S. Farrell. Shot in 2007.

 

[JohnBT]

www.montana1000yardbenchrestclub.com

"Cody Finch of Kalispell shot his 3.835" World Record Group in 2006."

"Donita Powers of Orofino, Id., shot a group of 3.995" on July 14, 2007."

They keep their groups pretty well centered at 1000 yards, don't they.

John

 

[TCB in TN]

I know plenty of guys that can't shoot 4" at 200 yards much less under 4 at 1000, now that is real fine shooting.

 

[mainmech48]

I believe that the current IBS (International Benchrest) 1000 yd record is held by Tom Sarver of Medina, OH. Score was a perfect 50 with 5X. The group measured 1.403" c-to-c. The target was 42"x42" with a 2" X-ring.

It was fired from his "light gun class rifle" (weight limit 17#). The cartridge was a custom designed wildcat dubbed the ".300 Hulk" patterned after the .338 Lapua Mag. case modified to .30 cal.

The group was fired during a sanctioned match at the Thunder Valley Range last July in Plainfield, OH.

Personally, I'd think pretty highly of myself if I could consistently keep three out of five rounds on a 55 gal. drum at that range.

 

[Swampy]

F-Class
Open: 1000 yards: 199-14X- Jim Murphy. Shot in 2007.
TR: 1000 yards: 192-7- S. Farrell. Shot in 2007.

If I'm not mistaken, the F/TR record was recently broken out in AZ by Derek Rodgers with a 194-5X. Not sure when it becomes "Official".

This was on the new F-Class target with the 1/2 MOA 10 ring.... = 5".

Derek was shooting a borrowed rifle and borrowed ammo and launching the new experimental JLK Bullets' 180 grain VLD-LBT ("Long Boat Tail") bullet.

Best to all,
Swampy

 

[Reyn]

I believe that the current IBS (International Benchrest) 1000 yd record is held by Tom Sarver of Medina, OH. Score was a perfect 50 with 5X. The group measured 1.403" c-to-c. The target was 42"x42" with a 2" X-ring.

It was fired from his "light gun class rifle" (weight limit 17#). The cartridge was a custom designed wildcat dubbed the ".300 Hulk" patterned after the .338 Lapua Mag. case modified to .30 cal.

The group was fired during a sanctioned match at the Thunder Valley Range last July in Plainfield, OH.

Personally, I'd think pretty highly of myself if I could consistently keep three out of five rounds on a 55 gal. drum at that range.

Here is his target

 

[JohnBT]

I didn't know IBS shot 5-shot targets. Learn something new every day, and it's only 8 a.m. The 1000-yard Pennsylvania Rules call for :

"23.2 Each shooter should fire only ten (10) shots during the record string, and EACH OF THESE should be fired only at the record target. No sighter shots are permitted during the record string. Firing more than ten (10) shots during the record string will cause the offending shooter to be immediately disqualified." - copied from www.pa1000yard.com