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Hi, I'm still on the fence about reloading. People always say you dont' save money but you end up shooting more for the same cost. So I'm wondering how cheaply can you make your ammo? I'd like to know your total cost per round of loading your own for the following:

.45acp, .40S&W, and 9x19mm.

I'm talking about using generally available bullets for general shooting and not the costly national match bullets, etc. And the per round cost does not figure in loading equipment cost. Also, I think there's some cost difference between using new brass, and reusing your own brass. So if you can make a distinction between them that'd be great, or give both figures.

I'm just thinking of handgun caliber right now but if you have cost data on rifle calibers in .223/5.56, 7.62x51, I'd appreciate that as well.
 
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The notion that you can save money by reloading is probably the first urban myth ever to be perpetrated.

Here's an example of Reloader's Math:

"Lemme see here...I can reload my ammo for about half the cost of factory ammo. That means that I can shoot five times as much for the same cost!!!"

When you go to commercially cast bullets, it gets worse:

"Lemme see now...I can reload using lead bullets for about half the cost of
reloading with jacketed bullets. That means I can shoot ten times as much
for the same cost of factory ammo!!!"

By the time you're really on the bottom rung, and get the idea that molding your own bullets, and buying your primers and powders in huge bulk quantities, you're headed for skid row with the rest of the addicts.

Wow! I can buy a 5-gallon bucket of wheelweights for 10 bucks! That means that I can mold my own bullets REAL cheap! I can save another 10% on the cost of the other components by buying in bulk! I can shoot reloads for one tenth the cost of factory ammo! That means that I can shoot FIFTY TIMES as much for the same cost!!!

God help you if you should be unfortunate enough to find a source of free wheelweights like I did. Abandon all hope, for you are truly a lost soul.

Add to that the cost of the divorce, due to you spending every spare moment casting bullets, reloading your brass, running to the range to shoot it all up so you can come home to reload more ammo...and having to mold more and more bullets just to keep pace...and you'll die a lonely, pathetic shell of your former self...probably due to complications arising from acute lead poisoning. See? It all starts with a little harmless experimentation with one bullet and one primer and a little smokeless powder...but it leads to the harder stuff. Don't do it! Just say NO!

Go ahead...Ask me how I know about these things... :D
 
I think one of those threads has a spreadsheet that will figure costs for you.

The whole saving money question is pretty vauge. I mean, are you including your initial equipment purchase in the price of your loaded ammo? Some people do. How about your time while reloading? Personally, I don't. But if I were to figure in my hourly rate, my ammo would make factory Weatherby ammo look cheap!!

What I tell people is a very loose Rule of Thumb: A box of 40 .44 mag ammo costs around 20 bucks for decent factory stuff. I can load 50 rounds for about 5 bucks.


I got into reloading because I was shooting alot of .44 Mag. I paid for my reloading equipment (around $200) fairly quickly with my 'savings'. But, I went from shooting 50 rounds every other week, to shooting 100-150 rounds every week, sometimes twice a week. So....my ammo costs went from 40 bucks a month to at least 80, sometimes more!

What wicked webs we weave, when first we begin to reload.... :)

Long story short...if you're looking at reloading purely to save money? You won't. If you want to shoot more, and make 'better' ammo, and have a whole 'nother hobby to go along with shooting? DO IT!! It's alot of fun!
 
yelp! for every day shooting I really do not see it unless you shhot a whole bunch and have factored everything in.
I just load rifle ammo for my competitions right now and I am buying my supplies for next year this year as I try to kinda stay ahead of the curve.

But its kinda funny because as much primers, bullets,cases and powder I seem to stock up on I end up buying more during the year to get me threw.

Have like 8 to 10 thousand hornady moly 75 bthp's now and have put in my request for like 5,000 of the moly amax's but plan on putting in another order for sierra 69's, 77's and 80's on the first of december or before as I am getting low on some of those like down to my last 1,500 80's and even less than 500 on 69's and 77's. and now I hate myself cause I like those berger73's and the 75's so plan on those also.
I did not really think I went threw that many rounds every year in matches or practice but it adds up fast and without reloading I most likely could not afford it and they do not make some of the loads from even factory's like black hills for some of the loads I use. I have the time most of the time but can not afford to go out and spend 6 to 7 thousand in loaded ammo or more.
Now some of the military teams have their loads made up for them by soem of the company's but I do not have that luxory.
 
I reload 9mm.

Approximate Cost:

Reloading equipment - gift from father-in-law (great guy!)

Rainier RN 115 grn copper plated bullets - $34/1000 + shipping from Midway = 4 cents / round

Winchester primers - $20/1000 - buy local = 2 cents / round

Hodgdon Universal Clays powder - $20/lb. - buy local - 5.2 gr. / round = 1.5 cents / round

Brass - free - pick up from local range

Total 7.5 cents / round = $3.75 / 50 rounds

Reloading saves me about $3.50 / 100 round range session (as opposed to Winchester Value Pack cost at Wal-Mart).

I have a single stage press and it takes me about 1.5 hrs to do 100 rounds.

I'm getting paid $2/hr. to relax with the reloading equipment.
 
I load 45 ACP for 2.50 for 50 rounds. I shot 2200 rounds last weekend.
I am not saving a damn thing.....:mad:
 
IT IS MY MOST HUMBLE OF OPINIONS YOU ARE LOOKING AT HANDLOADING

ENTIRELY BASSACKWARDS!!!
The handloading of your own ammunition should be entirely predicated on how well you can make ammunition of the highest quality.
There is no place for for the I-can-do-this-as-cheaply-as-possible mindset. You would be manufacturing ammunition for your expensive guns, held in your hands, fired by your very personal forefinger, and you want to make it as cheaply as possible??? You have very little regard for your very personal, issued-once-for-a-lifetime body parts.
You will not save a single penny handloading your own ammunition. You will spend every dime you do now, but you will do one hell of a bunch more shooting. You will also have embarked on a new hobby that perfectly complements your other hobby, shooting.
Handloading is an inch thick layer of frosting on the delightful cake called shooting.
 
I saved some money once handloading my own ammo so I went out and bought a Contender and solved that problem.

Now I handload alot of my own ammo because you can't buy it at wally world and if you could it would be very expensive. So I guess I'm still saving money.

But, if you really want to save money. sell all your guns and shooting related accessories, get a second job and open a savings account at your local bank.

:D
 
Maybe I have been reading gun boards to long. In all these threads about the cost of reloading somebody always says something like this and it always gets under my skin.

IT IS MY MOST HUMBLE OF OPINIONS YOU ARE LOOKING AT HANDLOADING
ENTIRELY BASSACKWARDS!!!
The handloading of your own ammunition should be entirely predicated on how well you can make ammunition of the highest quality.
There is no place for for the I-can-do-this-as-cheaply-as-possible mindset. You would be manufacturing ammunition for your expensive guns, held in your hands, fired by your very personal forefinger, and you want to make it as cheaply as possible??? You have very little regard for your very personal, issued-once-for-a-lifetime body parts.
You will not save a single penny handloading your own ammunition. You will spend every dime you do now, but you will do one hell of a bunch more shooting. You will also have embarked on a new hobby that perfectly complements your other hobby, shooting.
Handloading is an inch thick layer of frosting on the delightful cake called shooting.

1. The opinion expressed despite being labeled as a humble one is not humble at all. It is "entirely predicated" on the false notion that the way the poster loads ( in a manner other than cheaply) is safer and better in some undefined fashion than the way the rest of us load.

2. It seems to put forth the unsupportable notion that Bullets, powder, and primers bought in large quantity are not as safe as components purchased the way the poster does. Presumably in small expensive lots.

3. It seems to express disdain for people attempting to save money by reloading. I shoot about 3000 rounds of 45 ACP every month. This is 600 dollars worth of ammo if purchased at the store. I load this same ammo for less than 180 dollars. This is a monthly net savings of 420 dollars.


I buy in huge bulk purchases. I load in a progressive press and if there is any problem during the reloading stroke and I just clear the deck and dump the brass into a can for later processing. I use a powder check die and each round is eye balled several times during the reloading process.

My ammo is demonstrably as safe as anyone else's. In fact safer since to as great a degree as possible I remove human error by using repeatable mechanical devices and a system of checks and balances built into the equipment to reduce error and variation.

I was shooting some loads I was working up by hand before moving them to production presses and low and behold they showed greater Standard Deviation than the same load later cranked out on one of my Dillons.

I do not mean this as a slam on the original poster. He is just a member of a elitist subgroup of board members that fancy themselves "hand loaders". I quoted his post and not one of the hundred others simply as a matter of convenience. I am attacking the idea and the group of loaders that preach it not the original poster in this thread. Ok?
 
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WELL GEE...THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER BEEN CALLED AN " ELITIST ".

Now that I think about it I rather like the appelation, THANKS!!!

Sir, my thoughts on the matters expressed said none of the things you noted, nor even implied then in any manner that I can perceive.

I am only a bit over 800,000 rounds loaded at the moment so maybe your expertise well exceeds mine.
 
Reloading saves money in the long run. Saving benefits depend on what you reload. I personally don't reload 9x19 pistol ammo ( yet ), I have saved a ton of brass its just when I cost it out I only save a couple of bucks at best per box.

On the other hand I never buy factory 41 mag fodder, at $21-28 a box it adds up quick and I save quite a bit reloading this. I usually sit down and load 500 rounds so it is a significant savings. Other pistol calibers that quickly pay off are 45 Colt, 44 Mag, 357 Mag, 10mm, and 45ACP. If you shoot much of any of these it doesn't take long to pay off the investment in equipment.

Rifle ammo, for years I reloaded it all, hardly ever bought a box. I also have wildcats I feed and some big magnum cartridges. Go price some of the big mags with premium bullets, $45 per box of 20 is the low end and it goes to $120 on some cartridges. I have 4 ea I feed that would routinely cost me $65.00 a box. I also am darn picky on my hunting ammo, and the real premium bullets weren't really available in factory ammo when I got started, if you wanted good bullets in your ammo you loaded.

The other big plus on rifle ammo is tailoring your loads to your rifles, reloads when done right, and worked up for a specific rifle are more accurate. You are never going to get stellar preformance with factory ammo. The best factory is match ammo, and quality benchrest ammo blows it away. No its not simple, its very advanced reloading, and I have a couple of rifles I turn the necks on my lathe I get so fussy, but you can't buy ammo that has that kind of work done to it.

I have recently seen the light so to speak on rifle ammo. I have have a 308 that shoots great with the Autralian Milsurp @ $32.00 for 160 rounds, I load 308 but not cheap stuff just not worth it. The other rifle ammo I buy is for 7.62x39 @ $8 per 40 rounds why bother.

I place value on my time, so I tend not to reload cheap ammo. When I get into 9mm reloading I will focus on premium loads, it is the only way it seems worth my time. I load some of my rounds because I either cannot buy factory rounds ( 30-338 ) or I am not satisfied with the factory ammo ( 7x57 and 6.5x55 ) that they refuse to make to modern spec's due to product liability and old guns. Other factory ammo I am disatisfied with is most 10mm, most factory stuff is watered down to a 40S&W levels.

Cost is not the only benefit to reloading, but I couldn't imagine being an avid shoooter and not reloading, I sure would be doing a lot less.
 
Will Terry said: WELL GEE...THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER BEEN CALLED AN " ELITIST ".
Now that I think about it I rather like the appelation, THANKS!!!

Sir, my thoughts on the matters expressed said none of the things you noted, nor even implied then in any manner that I can perceive.

I am only a bit over 800,000 rounds loaded at the moment so maybe your expertise well exceeds mine.

Its seems Elitist may have been the wrong choice of words. I think now that "special" would have been more accurately nuanced.

I stand by my original post. Your original post did carry the very ideas I detailed in my reply. I can not be held accountable for your perception or lack there of.

800,000 rounds with no eye for cost control, just dogged adherance to your plan for "quality" ammo. Your the man.

FYI "apelation" is spelled "appellation". In the follow on sentence I think you wanted to type "them" and not "then".

I assume your reply did not get run through the same quality control computer as your 800,000 reloads?
 
I DID NOT IMPLY THE THINGS YOU SAID, SIR!!

Such thoughts even never entered my thought processes while writing my original answer.
You Sir, are putting your own thoughts, biasis, prejudices into the words I wrote.
You are right about one thing, I have NEVER given a damn what it cost to handload my own ammunition. The ONLY time I ever checked prices was when buying primers as I have always bought them in large lots.
My only criteria was making ALL of it as perfect as possible
And as long as we're picking typo nits you should have written:
You are the man, or perhaps,
You're the man,
Which I am not, but thanks anyways.
Now, are we through with this or are we gonna continue to pick at each other when we could have a hell of a bunch more fun going shooting together???
 
Ok, I'll give you my results.

I reload for .45acp.

My reasons for reloading were the ammount of cash I was spending on factory ammo, and the feel of shooting someone else's reloads that were a lower power factor than factory.

To jump in, I got myself a lee turret press kit, some dies, and various accessories like a priming tool, case tumbler, calipers, etc.

To get everything I needed to reload except bullets, powder and cases, I spent approximately $325. That price even covered corn cob media in the form of pet bedding from the local pet warehouse.

The basic formula for me is

$15 of powder gets me over 1000 rounds
$15 of primers gets me 1000 rounds
$70 of heads gets me 1000 rounds (variable with teh current metals market, but that's about what I paid for the last batch of 230gr copper plated lead after shipping, jacketed run me about $78)

So about $100 per thousand if you don't count the time it takes you. with my cheapy turret press, I crank out about 100 rounds an hour.

cheapest amo I can find that I trust at the moment is S&B and a csae it $180 + S&H. There are a number of similarly priced and reliable competitors. The only ammo I've found cheaper is the various steel cased russian ammo and american ammunition, which I've found to be questionable enough it isn't worth the savings.

So I get ammo that works better for me form a competitive standpoint, so far seems to be more accurate than factory, and I only have to have $100 on hand and some time to get 1000 rounds. Granted, at some point I will ahve to aquire more brass, but lightly used 45 brass costs about $35-45 a thousand, and last quite a few reloadings in 45acp making 176pf.

To people's arguments that "my time has value," yes, it does. But try as I might, I can't seem to get people to pay me for the time I spend reloading, and short of working a second job, in which case buying extra ammo would be pointless without any time to shoot it, sweat equity is the only way for me to find more "money" with which to shoot.

that's .45

some things, it's a no brainer with.

.223 for example, unless you need to game some form of competition, there is no point. Basically the only reason to reload is for reliability ina custom gun, or a custom load you can't get at factory. It won't be cheaper on any measuring scale.

my .444 marlin on the other hand... ammo is basically over $1 a round. Even if I buy new unprimed brass every time, throw away any left over powder after loading 100 rounds, and load with pricey bullets I can still load 100 rounds for $72 compared to $105 for the best price I can find on similar commercail ammo. Even if I only get three loadings out of the brass, and I don't throw away the excess powder, and I stick with the high quality bullets, then it comes out to about $132 for 300 rounds as opposed to 315. Granted, in .444 that's going to take me a while to shoot that much ammo, but I will eventually, and the brass I ahve is from loaded ammo, so the cost is even cheaper.

major savings. Similarly, in .308 I can do do up a nice high quality round with brand new brass and match grade bullets for about $0.64 each if I buy new lapua brass every time and throw it away. If I do something more sane like buy cheaper brass and use it 3 times, it's $0.34 a round. That's under $7 for a box of 20. looking at sales at the moment, in that price range we have UMC at 7.86 a box of 20, and igman at $6.49. The ammo closest to the laod I'm doing the math on is $16.89 for a box of 20. Seeing as A range trip is anywhere from 50-200 rounds of 308 for me when I go shoot it. The only thing that beats it is surplus, which isn't as accurate.

Honestly, before I was buying a case of 45 every 2 months and shooting less than I could. Now, I either shoot the same ammount for about 55% of the price. Or I actually manage to get out and practice, in which case I shoot almost 150% of what I did for roughly 72% of the cost. In addition, I actually like reloading as it gives me something to tinker with that I can do at any hour of the day without disturbing anyone (well except tumble cases).
 
45ACp for about $119.00 per 1000.
I use WLP primers,
Bullseye or Unique powder,
Win brass (save my brass and get some at the range from non reloaders),
Hornady 200gr & 230gr XTP bullets.
I do it more for the satisfaction of shooting my own, relaxation, and quiet time I get on weekend mornings more than anything else.

I do shoot about 3 times more ammo than I did before reloading though.
I just look at that as being more valuable training though.

bigjim, out of curiosity?
How do you get your cost down to $2.50 per 50?
Do you use jacketed or lead bullets, just wondered because I only use the ones I listed (they match my carry ammo closer) but have thought about trying lead bullets for practice.
I have not shot any lead rounds through my pistol and was thinking it would take more cleaning time after a range session.
 
9mm: $88.55/case (brass used 2x)
.40: $101.90/case (brass used 2x)
.45: $111.49/case (brass used 3x)

All with Berry's plated bullets (from Cabela's), Winchester primers, and VV powders. I buy once-fired brass, typically on eBay, and use it until I lose it (which doesn't take long).
 
The last time I did the math on it, I'm loading 45ACP's for $1.50 per 50 rounds which includes only primers, powder, and bulletlube. I get my wheelweights for free and havent bought any 45 brass for 12 or 15 years at least.

Same thing for 44 mags but more powder & lube so the cost goes up to $4.00 per 50 rounds.

I can manufacture my own Glaser type safety slugs and assemble them into new virgin brass for 26.5 cents apiece.:neener:

They may NOT be the magic bullet, but they sure are accurate.
 
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Edward said:

The last time I did the math on it, I'm loading 45ACP's for $1.50 per 50 rounds which includes only primers, powder, and bulletlube. I get my wheelweights for free
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THASS what'm talkin' 'bout! Step-son's pappy-in-law is the honcho in a county garage...If the EPA had a clue as to how many wheelweights I've got, they'd rope off the neighborhood and declare it a Haz-Mat dump!:D

Last math I did was a buck, seventy-five a hundred...but primers have gone up again.:cool:
 
Will Terry said:And as long as we're picking typo nits you should have written: You are the man, or perhaps,
You're the man,
Which I am not, but thanks anyways.
Now, are we through with this or are we gonna continue to pick at each other when we could have a hell of a bunch more fun going shooting together???
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Gawd! Ain't that the way. Make fun of someones spelling and look what happens. Every freakin time. :banghead:

I don't know about shooting together, it seems we both lack attention to detail. We could explode.
 
Buck seventy five per hundred? I'm paying too much for something! Oh, powder...Mines based on 20 bucks a pound, give or take. I bought an eight pounder of BLC2 for 64 bucks, works out to 8 per pound, that must be it.

I gotta get some bulk WW-231...

Of course we don't figure gas or labor, eh? Might bump it up a little. My normal labor rate is 65/hr, hate to think what that makes my ammo if I applied it there.:what:

.308's? Hmmm, lessee..

4064....12 cents per round
primers....02 cents
Bullets....15 cents each
Brass...8 centsish?

37 cents each, 37.00 per hundred, give or take. Beats the price of GMM by a little and is seriously competitive in accuracy. Thass the stuff!:D
 
Payin' too much?

Hey hey Edward!

Naw...I'm figgerin' by the cost of the stuff when I bought it the last time...
Hercules was still makin' Red Dot and Unique then., and it was in pasteboard kegs with the pop-up spouts. Primers were 11 dollars a brick when I bought 10 sleeves at a time, and an 8-pound keg of Hercules pistol powder was 58 dollars. I got a little extra discount for buyin' so many kegs. I think 2400 was 64 bucks. When I talk buyin' in bulk...I mean BULK! I think the lube was a dollar fifty a stick, and 50/50 wire solder was about 85 cents for a 1-pound roll. I used half a pound in a 10-pound pot of wheelweight lead.

As it stands, I'm gettin' low on everything but wheelweights. I've got about 5 pounds of Unique left, and a pound or two of Red Dot...Maybe a half a brick of primers. Things have gone up, I'd guess. :scrutiny:
I guess my next big lot is gonna run me about 3 cents a pop. Outrageous!

Now ya'll understand why I rebuild my 1911s. I have to!:D


Luck!

Tuner
 
I've got about 5 pounds of Unique left

Oh yeah! A man after my own heart. Must have Unique.

My sentiments are I HATE changing lots of powder, especially in rifle loads it is BAD ju ju.

My last primer purchase was around 15000 ( three bricks ) one of these days I am going to run out and hate it, cause I know I am going to pay through the nose for the next purchase. I have made a big dent in my large pistol primers.

In my neck of the woods there is a powder manufacturer/distributor that if you get a big enough order together there is no hazmat fees, as they deliver it. Buy in bulk and drop the fees really gets the price down. Usually it is a collective game between several of us ( my FFL included ) and when a couple of hundred pounds is ordered the price gets reasonable. pretty much a once a year deal.
 
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