Best Telescopic Baton

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Hi everybody, I am now in the market to purchase a telescopic baton and I was looking for a little advice.

What would be the best ASP brand to buy? I am aiming to carry inside my pocket, so it has to be small. Is a 21" large enough for decent self-defense, or should I set my sights on something a little bigger? The 16" also seems too small for me, but I'm still uncertain. Any advice?

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Hey, welcome to THR.

Asking what brand of ASP baton to buy is like asking what brand of Maserati to buy.. already you've got your answer in your question :)

The problem with a striking tool is that it needs inertia - through a combination of weight and speed. Thus, the smaller (and more convenient) a baton is, the harder you'll have to swing it to make up for it. So don't go with a featherweight one. I guess ideally, go for the biggest one you're willing and able to carry every day.

Also, caveat asker - the legality of batons for carry and use varies from state to state and in certain cities.
 
While certainly no expert, ASP is definitely the best brand of telescoping baton I am aware of. Beware of knockoffs and imitations.

And before you carry one around, definitely make sure that it's legal to do so.

In California, as I know all too well, it is highly illegal to carry one, the punishment being harsher (a felony) than carrying a loaded gun without a license (misdemeanor), at least to my knowledge.

Unless you live in an area with unusually lax baton laws, there are other methods of non-firearm protection that may be of greater utility and legality.
 
Thanks for the comments. I guess what I'm looking for are opinions on what size baton would easily fit in ones pocket. I was considering buying an ASP airweight 26" but I'm thinking 9.5" compressed is too large for sensible conceal carry.

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These are the available sizes, 16" to 31"
 
21" is probably the best compromise of size, weight, and ability.

Welcome to THR!

John
 
I'll go with JShirley's advice on the size. I have the one that's 9 inches closed and it's too much for a pocket.

ASP airweight

Again, I dunno if the weight is worth the sacrifice in power. A regular telescoping baton doesn't really weigh that much to begin with.

Perhaps somebody here in LE can explain the difference? ASP ad copy does tout "a 40% reduction in weight while retaining 98% of [...] striking ability"
 
Kind of off topic , but be very careful if the ASP is for Self Defence. Unless you are a female defending against a male (and probably even then) the police are gonna have some serious questions for you.
 
Perhaps somebody here in LE can explain the difference? ASP ad copy does tout "a 40% reduction in weight while retaining 98% of [...] striking ability"
Lighter handle , heavier striking head
 
I just bought a Generic brand Baton at the gun show this weekend. 20 bucks. its a 16" model and fits in my back pocket perfectly next to my Kershaw Blur and my Leatherman Charge.

I chose the 16" because the handle is completley covered by my back jeans pockets. Yes it is generic, but I don't really see the differences. Works fine, hurts like hell (I tested it).
 
Kind of off topic , but be very careful if the ASP is for Self Defence. Unless you are a female defending against a male (and probably even then) the police are gonna have some serious questions for you.

That probably depends on the state. I was told while certifying for ASP years ago that the GA attorney had ruled the ASP a "defensive weapon" and that it could be carried concealed without a permit. As usual, check your local laws.
 
I have a German Polizei surplus spring baton- from CTD IIRC. Almost a cross between a blackjack and a baton. Fits real well in my pocket; extends to about 14".

Might be hard to find but very nice to have.
 
Thanks for the advice everyone. I am still on the fence about the optimal size for carrying in my pocket. The 7.75" collapsed size of a 21" baton almost seems too large to fit in a pair of jeans.

Has anyone ever had any experience with 16" batons? I really like the 6" collapsed size, but I worry about the effectiveness of such a small reach.
 
Do like I did: Cut down a piece of scrap dowel to the closed length of the baton. Stick it in your pocket.
(added bonus: now you have a kubotan :rolleyes:)

That'll show you about how it'll fit in the pocket. Bonus points for finding a dowel rod thick enough to approximate the baton handle's thickness.

If you want, take the rest of the dowel and cut 'er down to the various sizes you're thinking of trying.

I find a lot of 'us type' folks are rather concrete thinkers.
 
Thanks for the help everyone. I actually tried that whole improvised measurement trick and determined the 21" asp would be the best choice.
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I really appreciate the input, thanks again everybody.
 
If you want the very bestest, German Bonowi is IMO

Or Peacekeeper RCB for sheer striking power.


Problem with both is that neither sell to public to my knowledege
 
If you want the very bestest, German Bonowi is IMO

Or Peacekeeper RCB for sheer striking power.


Problem with both is that neither sell to public to my knowledege

Yes and they are little priceier to but better then the Bonowi camlock (g-tek) or RCB:s batons you wont find.
 
Yep in some states you will go to jail for a felony with that little baton...But if you have a pistol, loaded it is a misd. Hmmm:uhoh: Pistol/revolver [empty one] you can pistol whip with, and it has no bullets, what is the crime?:scrutiny:
 
Pistol/revolver [empty one] you can pistol whip with, and it has no bullets, what is the crime?

Depends totally on both the circumstances and the state. If the use of the pistol as an impact weapon is judged to be self defense-no crime.

If it is judged not to be self defense then let's see: assault, at least, if not aggravated assault. Brandishing in many states. Here in Georgia, we don't have a brandishing statute. However, there is a law against pointing a firearm at another without legal justification whether loaded or unloaded. It's difficult to pistol whip someone without covering them with the muzzle at some point in the proceedings. Will probably damage an expensive pistol, too.

Check with your state's attorney general about impact batons. Also ask if the statute states a brand such as ASP and if other brands would be considered OK also.

The ASP, a JShirley stated, is legal to carry here in Georgia with certified training. I'm pretty sure that it will be specific to the ASP brand and you could get into trouble if you ran into a situation where you had another brand and ASP certified training with the wrong officer.

If certified training is required then keep a copy of that certification as well as a copy of the letter from the AG OK'ing the carry and use close at hand. If it's legal in your state, don't depend on law enforcement to know the law. It could very well lead to more hassle than you want to experience.

Open carry of pistols is lawful here in Georgia if you have a concealed carry permit. A permit holder in Richmond County recently had his openly carried pistol seized by a Richmond County sheriff's deputy. First the deputy checked the serial number to see if the pistol was stolen. Then he required the man to provide 'proof of purchase' before returning the man's pistol.

I don't keep 'proof of purchase' receipts for most of my firearms as most have been in my possession for ten years or more.

The deputy then claimed that open carry is not lawful in Georgia which is completely false.

Georgia Carry.org is involved in the matter and will probably wind up taking the sheriff's department to court. Big darn hassle and I think I'll write the Attorney General to get his opinion on the lawfulness of open carry on AG letterhead. I don't open carry often but I recently ran into an officer whose problem with my firearms wasn't that he didn't know the law for he obviously would have arrested me if that had been the case. His problem was apparently that he didn't like the pertinent laws that allowed me to conceal carry and to have a loaded AR15 in my vehicle.
 
Thanks Byron for the information. Unfortunatly we have way to many police officers/deputies like the one you described. I would think that is a perfect one to sue, for violation of your civil rights "federal law/constitutional"...

:uhoh:
 
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